Dutch memorial getting build for German Wehrmacht hero

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Im not sure, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_cri...Vinkt_massacre

The thing with war crimes is that they are done mostly by troops that are in the rear, occupying and possibly fighting against insurgents. Frontline and elite troops seem to commit them more rarely. Maybe they feel they are above that kind of stuff or they dont have the time.

Mate, I'm aware that Wermacht were part of atrocities, I'm not denying that. But, taking in account that Wermacht was the Jäger of the finnish army of today, the backbone of the infantry. The SS were the elite, nazi ideogonially-trained soldiers, good what they did, fighting for the gatherland, but most of they were so into it that they didnt think the other races to be humans and had no problem killing them. One could say some (not all!) were senseless killers in the name of the Fatherland.

Come on HT, you know what I mean.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

While there are many German language reports on this, I did not find a related English link, so I must refer to this forum entry.


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=130836


If this is remarkable or not depends onw hat you assume the relations between the dutch and the Germans to be. I was often told that many Dutch still have ressenbtiments against the Germans and have not forgiven them, but I must say the Dutch people I met or have talked to in my life were all missing this "feature", and in fact made friendly partners for talking. Even the "hostility" between Dutch and German football fans is - for the most - not to be taken serious: you often can see Germans and Dutch celebrating together after the match between both national teams, no matter who won.

Probably a generation issue. The younger people are, the more relaxed they seem to deal with each other.

Just the language sounds terrible .

The German language, aye.

A poll today told us even people above 65 have no longer resentment to our neighbours.
But uhhh, die manshaft is scheisse.

[Dan D]

Originally Posted by Fish

The German language, aye.

A poll today told us even people above 65 have no longer resentment to our neighbours.
But uhhh, die manshaft is scheisse.

@Fish
We would have given the bikes back, that we once have stolen.
But we can't find the keys (for the bike lock).
Sorry.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Fish

die manshaft is scheisse.

Does that mean they were gay?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Does that mean they were gay?

No idea of the other words but Scheisse = sh*t.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Dowly

No idea of the other words but Scheisse = sh*t.

Die manshaft(Germanys national football team) is sh#t.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Does that mean they were gay?

No, ****heads.
Only before and during the match.
Have to remember we are a just very small country measured to our neighbours.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Dan D

@Fish
We would have given the bikes back, that we once have stolen.
But we can't find the keys (for the bike lock).
Sorry.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Dan D

@Fish
We would have given the bikes back, that we once have stolen.
But we can't find the keys (for the bike lock).
Sorry.

Right, I want my dads bike back.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

The other book I talked about doesn't seem to have been translated in any language, I had a hard time finding it 3 years ago

Aye, that's a sad thing. I have a great book about an Luftwaffe ace named Günther Lützow (108 confirmed kills IIRC), who was in a big part on designing the new tactics for Luftwaffe during the Spanish Civil War (He flew in the Legion Kondor). But AFAIK, it is only available in Finnish, Sweden and German.

Sad, as pretty much every historian give full credit of the new tactics to Werner Mölders, nor does he usually get anykind of mention in the mutiny against Goering, it was Lützow who had the balls to speak out to Goering and so was "exiled" to (IIRC) Sicily to command the LW units there. And not to forget that he saved one officers life when Goering ordered the officer to be executed, as he had brought an camera crew with him to one of the channel front airfields and he wanted to see the squadron to take off and intercept the bombers they were warned of, the officer refused to give the order because the clouds were very low and the winds were rather strong. Lützow got a call from that particular airfield and immediatly drove there and gathered official weather reports on the way to show as proof to Goering that the conditions werent suitable to scramble the fighters. And all in all, he was very liked by the ones who served under him. He usually spend his time not in the comfy commander's building, but out in the fields with the crew. Great pilot and a great person, sadly he is a MIA to this day after taking off on his Me262 to intercept B26's late in the war. Chilling, that the book has a picture taken of Lützow walking with Galland towards their Me262's just before Lützow left to his last mission.