VIIB vs. VIIC

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by melendir

As Dr. Evil said in Austin Powers 3: "Welcome to my submarine lair. It's long and hard and full of seamen." :rotfl:

LOL :rotfl:

I prefer the VIIC for the upgrade potential

[Wulfmann]

Every second counts when you must dive quickly as later when the aircraft are after you and the C can dive about 50 meters deeper so that is a big deal when you hear the cans drop and you hit flank to get out of the way. That equals 7-10 seconds before they reach you and that can be life or not life!!!

I will take the C any day all day. Give me deeper.

Wulfmann

[ReallyDedPoet]

The VIIC, better dive times, more upgrades, etc., etc


RDP

[Deathfrombelow23]

One more thing I thought of... the VIIB has less upgrades in terms of AA firepower, which is useless to me anyway. I don't stay on the surface and gun it out with aircraft, so I don't need a quad flak or the heavier flaks that the VIIC can get. Also, the VIIB offers a second flak tower sometime in '42 for a second smaller AA gun... which is about all I need, at most. If the VIIC's historical slightly longer range is not modeled, it doesn't make sense to me to get a VIIC. I save my renown for a type XXI in March, '44. Since those bad boys are 20,000 points, I save all I can, because later in the war... late '42 on... I don't sink a whole lot, it's more of a survival game. Can I get to my patrol station and home alive? So, I don't use renown on extra AA towers and guns and supercharged diesels... I'm thinking long-term and saving for the XXI. Some may spend their renown on those things.... I guess mine is just a different way of looking at things. As far as I know, a VIIB CAN be equipped with a snorkel later in the war, correct?

[Abd_von_Mumit]

I've performed many diving time tests with my VIIB. The best I can achieve repeatedly is 19 seconds (decks awash, 7.0 m depth, 8.5 knts - than you hit C and start your clock). If I could shorten it to 18 seconds, it would be worth spending 10k renown. It's a 5% difference, not so bad. And this one second can save my life. March '40 I was bombed by aircraft by Norwegian shore almost to death, they appeared from nowhere, the first bomb was dropped like 50 seconds after the "aircraft spotted" report. So never say a second doesn't matter.

[Wulfmann]

Originally Posted by Deathfrombelow23

I'm thinking long-term and saving for the XXI.

You could just edit the cfg so the XXI was 1,000 or 5,000 or whatever. That was put in by UBI as a gaming number and has no basis for anything unless you want to think so.
I never changed it from 20K because if I get that far I have 20K anyway and I can't use the renown at Wal-Mart so can but a XXI!!:rotfl:

Wulfmann

[High Voltage]

Deeper....Deeper...

[Jimbuna]

U-flack...shoot down a few fly boys.....before you get killed

[Graf Paper]

So it certainly seems the opinion is that the VIIC is a worthwhile investment for its greater diving depth and more extensive upgrades, giving it the edge over the VIIB despite the VIIB being somewhat faster and having a greater submerged range ( 90nm vs. 80nm, thats 18.5km or 11.5 miles difference ).

Now, aside from some modeling work being done by Tomi_099 giving even more compelling reasons for having a VIIC, are the upgrades that really count for sinking enemy ships and evading detection also available for the VIIB? By this, I mean things such as radar, radar detection, anti-sonar coating, snorkel, etc.

The guns like quad-flak and 108mm deck are good to have if you need them but, like I've said before, I try to avoid needing them and rely mainly on stealth for defense.

I suppose I should mention that U-47, my VIIB boat, has the turbo-charged diesels and quick-charge batteries, giving her a top speed of 18kts surfaced and 8kts submerged.

It's currently early June 1940 in game and I'm sailing with the 1st Flotilla out of Kiel. Am I better off saving my points for a Type IX variant later when I get transferred with the flotilla to Brest?


I've always started my careers with 1st Flotilla in September 1939 but my long break from SH3 has left me clueless!

[BulSoldier]

Surcouf - thats what a true submarine is - twin 8inch guns not our funny 88mm ! :rotfl:

she also had aircaft and a boat onboard

http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/French...urcoufthe.html

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Graf Paper

So it certainly seems the opinion is that the VIIC is a worthwhile investment for its greater diving depth and more extensive upgrades, giving it the edge over the VIIB despite the VIIB being somewhat faster and having a greater submerged range ( 90nm vs. 80nm, thats 18.5km or 11.5 miles difference ).

Now, aside from some modeling work being done by Tomi_099 giving even more compelling reasons for having a VIIC, are the upgrades that really count for sinking enemy ships and evading detection also available for the VIIB? By this, I mean things such as radar, radar detection, anti-sonar coating, snorkel, etc.

The guns like quad-flak and 108mm deck are good to have if you need them but, like I've said before, I try to avoid needing them and rely mainly on stealth for defense.

I suppose I should mention that U-47, my VIIB boat, has the turbo-charged diesels and quick-charge batteries, giving her a top speed of 18kts surfaced and 8kts submerged.

It's currently early June 1940 in game and I'm sailing with the 1st Flotilla out of Kiel. Am I better off saving my points for a Type IX variant later when I get transferred with the flotilla to Brest?


I've always started my careers with 1st Flotilla in September 1939 but my long break from SH3 has left me clueless!

Try the 2nd Flotilla in Sept 39 (IXB)

[Avatar]

Hey,
I'm on my 2nd career(GWX2.0). My first career was with GWX1.03, but I didnt get to finish, because 2.0 came out. I made it to summer 1944 before I upgraded to 2.0.
On the first career, I waited until the VIIC-41 was available and by then I needed it. After I purchased it, I was offered Radar Absorbing Material and Sonar Absorbing material v.2, immediately. I think that the schnorkel was available to the VIIB. The main thing I needed bythen was the radar absorbing material. Escorts will detect you and chase you off all the time. Once I was without RAM and a DD detected me, but I didnt notice this and raised the TC only to be blasted out of the water.
It is possible to make it to the VIIC41 without purchasing the VIIC, but you have to be alot more careful.

[U49]

Submerged range is a critical factor for my tactics and thus I prefer VIIB until the year '42 comes....

Starting from here on the advatages of VIIC's equipment options and it's diving abilities come into play... regretable I think I loose about 10% underwater range....

[Tiny]

I have the VIIB because of the deck gun...ofcourse I am only in 1939 so no merchants have guns yet

[Deathfrombelow23]

The VIIC has a deck gun too, if I'm not mistaken? I've always wondered... is the increase in diving depth of the VIIC/41 and VIIC/42 modeled in the game? Can they really dive deeper than the regular VIIC? I just started a new career... GWX 2.0 -- I started in March of 1941 with the 1st Flotilla out of Kiel. Just sank a coastal freighter with my deck gun 25 KM north of Scapa! Not a bad way to start a career. I'm worried about when I get to late 1942 though... would an upgrade to a VIIC/41 or 42 be worth it?