Illegal aliens and some alarming statistics

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

5 out of 10 on the FBIs Most Wantd List are Latinos:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm

C'mon, the writing is on the wall here... When you open the flood gates, the rubbish floats in with the rest of the water...

I questioned the 95% warrant thing myself, but regardless, you are right - it really doesn't matter. We have not a minor problem, but a major one and it is out of control - the flood gates are open.

-S

[bradclark1]

After all is said and done. Cut down on illegals equals cutting down on crime. Thats enough reason. A difference of percentage points doesn't matter.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Cut down on illegals equals cutting down on crime. Thats enough reason. A difference of percentage points doesn't matter.

I'd argue that cutting down on illegal immigration is not the most efficient way to cut crime, and reasoning that they are equal is rather absurd.

Also, I'd question an argument that uses misleading and abused statistics. It doesn't lend credence to the proposition.

5 out of 10 on the FBIs Most Wantd List are Latinos:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm

Since when does Latino = illegal? Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

it doesnt matter, there are over 34 million illegal immigrants in the US.. doesnt the word ILLEGAL come into mind?? they are breaking the law, and immigrants in the US who break the law get DEPORTED, kick every single illegal immigrant, round them up like sheep, then put them on a few planes of busses, send em back to mexico, tell them to fix their country before they decide to screw up the U.S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'd argue that cutting down on illegal immigration is not the most efficient way to cut crime, and reasoning that they are equal is rather absurd.

Also, I'd question an argument that uses misleading and abused statistics. It doesn't lend credence to the proposition.

Since when does Latino = illegal? Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.

Must be easy to say that from across the sea there, but I still don't get how you can't draw a coloration between the two. Ahh - illegals = major crime problems. Removing illegals = no more crime, and 9125 Americans who will not be killed.

Are you just mentally challenged? They account for an abnormal amount of crime per population capita, so what is there not to get?

-S

PS. When the FBI says someone is from New York, that means that is where they are residing. This is not telling what their immigration status is. 99% chance he is an illegal.

[DeepIron]

Since when does Latino = illegal?

I didn't say that. I said 5 out of 10 on the list were latinos, a statement of fact. Your "logic" sounds very close to the rhetoric used by legal and illegal latinos in this country to justify the *illegal* immigration of their countrymen...

Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.

So, New York isn't part of the US? And the Columbian is wanted for criminal activities against the US. So is bin Laden for that matter...

The math is simple, fewer Latinos, illegal or otherwise, means less crime from the latino sector. You can apply this logic using any other ethnic/socio-political/religious group you want. It just so happens that we have more of a problem with latinos right now...

As I suspect that you don't live in the US, I would find it hard to believe that you have the same perspective as those of us who do...

Last year, two people that I know personally, in my little agricultural community of 3100 were literally run over by an illegal in a truck while they were riding their bicycles on a side street. Both lived thankfully, but are now physically handicapped for life.

The illegal? Well, seeing as they lived, he'll do some time, at my expense as a taxpayer, in prison then be sent back across the border... I'm sure he'll be back...

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Removing illegals = no more crime

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Are you just mentally challenged?

If you want to cut down on crime, removing illegal immigrants is not the most efficient way to do this.
I'm not refusing to draw a correlation, I was reacting to brad's point that the two are equal.
Both are issues of law enforcement, but tackling crime via immigration law seems to be a very inefficient and roundabout way to do so.
I'm sure that illegal immigrants accounts for more than their capita share of crime in the US, that is in the nature of illegality. But I distrust manipulated stats and fear-mongering language, that's all.

PS. When the FBI says someone is from New York, that means that is where they are residing. This is not telling what their immigration status is. 99% chance he is an illegal.

You could go with this 99% chance.
Or you could find out.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/gerena.htm

Originally Posted by DeepIron

I didn't say that. I said 5 out of 10 on the list were latinos, a statement of fact.

And you then folllowed it up with a direct reference to illegal immigration. I was making the point that the connection you were making is not as strong as it seems.

[DeepIron]

Don't confuse the two issues. We have an illegal immigration problem in the US. The larger portion of our illegals are Mexican/Latinos/La Raza/whatever. We have also had an increase in crime perpetrated by Mexicans/Latinos/La Raza/whatever as a separate issue.

If we can successfully control the huge numbers of both legal and illegal immigrants into this country, then it stands to reason that we should also be able to effect a change in the crime rate attributed to this particular ethnic group.

If one is an illegal immigrant by definition one is a criminal.

[SUBMAN1]

Crime is simply one issue, since all illegal aliens are just that - illegal and already committing a crime.

Our health care is the other issue. I pay huge insurance premiums monthly because we have to pay for the uninsured that go into our emergency rooms - Illegals get treated free there at the expense of my own personal pocket! When I hardly use the doctor at all no less! This irks me terribly.

Next is, I am again paying for them out of pocket - in TAXES!!!!. They are constantly raising taxes on me, providing for welfare programs for illegals. My fathers daycare is an example - they get that state funded while they go out and party all day. They do not want to work, and want to pump out babies constantly, because th emore kids you have, the more welfare you get! The men go out and work under the table, paying non of these taxes, and taking away from taxes a normal American would pay!!! In 2001, Colorado paid over $1 Billion for welfare for illegals alone, and they are not even on the border with Mexico!!! They are much farther north! What does AZ pay? Must be crazy! Now with 4 million more - (Is that 50% more of them?) what do they pay in 2007???? Crazy.

My country cannot support them. You guys acorss the pond may think us Americans are limitless when it comes to case, but I will be the first to tell you, we have major limits! This problem is greater than our National debt problem, since it will prevent us from getting out of debt in the first place!

Guesstimate what they cost the US, and I bet you are looking at 1/3rd to 1/2 a Trillion $$$ a year to support them if you factor in medical, unpaid taxes, welfare and various other programs, crime, policing, court costs, INS costs, jail, deportation, the list is endless.

The real question is not if we can afford to deport them, but how can we NOT AFFORD to deport them?

If that doesn't get you, 9,125 Americans this year should speak to you from their graves, and you can ask them what they think.

-S

PS. I forgot to mention that all school budget increases were due to Illegals. They are even setting up spanish speaking classes only now in public schools in WA and OR. Come Tuesday, I'm voting down all school levies for this reason alone.

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

it doesnt matter, there are over 34 million illegal immigrants in the US.. doesnt the word ILLEGAL come into mind?? they are breaking the law, and immigrants in the US who break the law get DEPORTED, kick every single illegal immigrant, round them up like sheep, then put them on a few planes of busses, send em back to mexico, tell them to fix their country before they decide to screw up the U.S

Agreed. I'm not against immigrants. I'm against ILLEGAL immigrants. I couldn't care less what country they're from.

They claim they have this right and that right.

The only right they have is a ride back home to their country. Period. I hate sounding like a right winger and all that, but this is a subject I feel very strongly about (and I'm a lot more liberal than most people give me credit for, too).

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Crime is simply one issue, since all illegal aliens are just that - illegal and already committing a crime.

PS. I forgot to mention that all school budget increases were due to Illegals. They are even setting up spanish speaking classes only now in public schools in WA and OR. Come Tuesday, I'm voting down all school levies for this reason alone.

Amen to both points. I'd love to have all the phone systems start off:

"Push 1 for English. Push 2 to hang up until you learn English."

Next, we'll have to have them all learn Welsh (well, there might be a few of them here, and we have to acccomodate everyone, right???).

[DeepIron]

The real question is not if we can afford to deport them, but how can we NOT AFFORD to deport them?

Well put! Add to the $$$ list SM1 has noted the following items: an out of control war in Iraq, a scorched SoCal, our continued support of numerous Foreign Aid programs, Welfare, and Federal Aid to the areas of the US that are being considered as "natural disaster" areas (northern Georgia comes to mind) and you know what?

We're going broke! Pure and simple. The US cannot continue to support the fiscal programs it has, let alone the additional fiscal burden of illegal immigrants!

The argument that "they do jobs Americans won't" is totally bogus! Get welfare families off their collective butts and put them to work!

"Push 1 for English. Push 2 to hang up until you learn English."

I'm 50 and I'm having to learn Spanish so I can communicate with the Latinos in SoCal where I deliver... Consider it for a moment and let the implication settle in. Americans are being *forced* to adopt a foreign language in their own country.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

...The argument that "they do jobs Americans won't" is totally bogus! Get welfare families off their collective butts and put them to work!...

I never bought that argument. Before they were in the country, Before the first illegal stepped into this country, Americans did the job. Now they do the job for a buck cheaper - so what? Pay an extra buck the the American, and he will again do the job. That's the biggest cop out the illegals have come up with.

I'm beginning to wonder if they are smarter than our collective population? How can the normal person stand there an buy that argument?

-S

[DeepIron]

I'm beginning to wonder if they are smarter than our collective population? How can the normal person stand there an buy that argument?

I attribute it to being "politically euthanized"... We have been taught that our Federal Government is here to serve us, the citizenry. When, in actuality, the Fed serves only those who have the $$$ to influence it. Joe Average American is like the humans in the Matrix, only instead of electricity, we provide $$$. That's it.

We expect our elected officials to be on the ball and understand the social/fiscal issues that effect as a nation... guess not. I have nothing but contempt for the four-flushers who "rule" this nation because they consistently demonstrate a lack of common sense. You don't have to be brilliant to see where some of our problems are leading us...

The other thing is that Americans have been lied to for so long, by so many politicos, it's now second nature to not care and just accept things at face value... We no longer believe we can influence the political course of our country anymore. It's safer to watch "Dancing with the Stars" than to watch a political debate and actually take a stance on issues that would shape our, and our kids/grandkids futures.

The "All About Me" generation is coming home with a vengence...