[GWX] planes.. aarghhh - Page 2

johan_d · 05-11-07, 05:44 PM

thanks for you great explanation. i understand fully, just ranting about those blody planes from hell! haha..

I am a flightsim fanatic myself, and know a lot about planes, so it is not a suprise, the only suprise i had was that those darn guys from GWX did it so right.. its amazing how good it is, and how frustrating on the other side. I wonder if anyone can do the campaign from 1939 up to 1945 this way, gameplay wise.

But, the funny part is I was always looking out for destroyers, but now, I dont care about them, the planes are the real killers.

Continueing to have fun.. and tanks for your story!

Hartmann · 05-11-07, 08:47 PM

Snorkel !!

get it as soon as possible, in that point of the war the planes makes miserable the life of the u-boat , turning it to a coffin.

Also the luftwaffe was very bussy in germany becase the bombers were converting cities and factories in a pile of rubble.

i like too flight sims and i don´t have any doubt, if i see a submarine i will dive at full speed blazing fire with all weapons

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-11-07, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by johan_d

on the ocean, no schnorckel, and did i told you that I hate you? :rotfl:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

We love you too mate. Group hug?

Reverie · 05-12-07, 12:58 AM

I don't know if it has been factored into the software, and as it hasn't been mentioned yet, I have been finding success in the Bay of Biscay by following the Piening Route.
Reverie

cunnutazzo · 05-12-07, 04:19 AM

Yes the airplanes are very dangerous, but it doesn't mean that your hull is reduced at 76% or less cause some bullets hits. And the airplanes are very though. In GWX the Uboot are made in aluminum and the planes are made with vanadium steel.

An Uboot needs of a BOMB or more to get sunk, not some bullets hits, in this case GWX is not realistic, it is in "masochistic" mode.

Jimbuna · 05-12-07, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cunnutazzo

Yes the airplanes are very dangerous, but it doesn't mean that your hull is reduced at 76% or less cause some bullets hits. And the airplanes are very though. In GWX the Uboot are made in aluminum and the planes are made with vanadium steel.

An Uboot needs of a BOMB or more to get sunk, not some bullets hits, in this case GWX is not realistic, it is in "masochistic" mode.

Wrong

Large calibre bullets were capable of piercing thin armour and decimating equipment up top also

melnibonian · 05-12-07, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cunnutazzo

Yes the airplanes are very dangerous, but it doesn't mean that your hull is reduced at 76% or less cause some bullets hits. And the airplanes are very though. In GWX the Uboot are made in aluminum and the planes are made with vanadium steel.

An Uboot needs of a BOMB or more to get sunk, not some bullets hits, in this case GWX is not realistic, it is in "masochistic" mode.

Vanadium has some really great properties (like large scattering cross section) but it's not used in GWX

:p

On a serious note: In reallity the U-Boat Hull was not armoured (at least in most parts). It was a pressure hull and thus any hole on it could cause problems to the boat's integrity under water. So that means that a few hits with a machine gun from a plane can cause your boat serious damage.

Now on the Vanadium issue (strong airplanes :p ): Most of the airplanes of the time were made out of wood or fabric. Therefore any hit from a machine gun would do minimal damage to them. Also don't forget that when you're firing on a plane comming towards you at high speed you have a small area to aim for. This is important as that way most of your bullets will miss. The ones that do hit will most probably hit the coolant and the engine cover (both armoured in most planes of the time) and will do minimal damage. The only area where you can actually do critical damage to a WWII plane is if you score a direct hit on the pilot or in the area around and behind the cocpit were all the fuel is stored.

Hopefully this will answer your question regarding the U-Boat vs Airplane fight in GWX

Paajtor · 05-12-07, 05:18 AM

Try to aim for the wing-roots...

cunnutazzo · 05-12-07, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Wrong

Large calibre bullets were capable of piercing thin armour and decimating equipment up top also

Of course, may be a 57mm cannon or repeated hits by 20mm (special shells) may damage the hull seriously. But the "light guns" on the Sunderlands can make just some holes in the conning tower. Maybe the Sunderland had 20 and 57 cannons? And this was happened to me: just some hits from a Sunderland and my hull efficiency was strongly reduced. The history tells us that the Uboots were sunk by bombs, not by .303 or .50 guns. Also, some real kaleuns tales tell us that in certain conditions the heavy guns on the Uboot were very dangerous, it is the case when a plane approachs to close to the Uboot.

Mueller72 · 05-12-07, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by johan_d

[...] reaching northern Spain.
I wonder how far they can fly from England, and if anyone know their range ?[...]

Northern Spain? Look here at "The valley of Death"

http://uboat.net/maps/biscay.htm

Jimbuna · 05-12-07, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mueller72

Quote:

Originally Posted by johan_d

[...] reaching northern Spain.
I wonder how far they can fly from England, and if anyone know their range ?[...]

Northern Spain? Look here at "The valley of Death"

http://uboat.net/maps/biscay.htm

Most aptly named

johan_d · 05-12-07, 03:20 PM

I managed to escape, but with a hull of 29% the odds were against me.
Sunk a lone merchand in sector CF, and headed north. Stumbled on a convoy, missed a target, destroyers were searching me, and worked nicely together.
Depthcharged.. dead!.

Well, that was the glorious fight.. it was great and thanks the GWX team for the expirience!.

Time to start a new carreer.

Johan

TarJak · 05-13-07, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cunnutazzo

Yes the airplanes are very dangerous, but it doesn't mean that your hull is reduced at 76% or less cause some bullets hits. And the airplanes are very though. In GWX the Uboot are made in aluminum and the planes are made with vanadium steel.

An Uboot needs of a BOMB or more to get sunk, not some bullets hits, in this case GWX is not realistic, it is in "masochistic" mode.

Even a .303 bullet has a chance of penetrating the pressure hull. One hole like that can ruin your day when you dive.

Telgriff · 05-13-07, 07:05 PM

Simple rule for aircraft in GWX...crashdive. I am almost NEVER on the surface when in allied air cover areas. I usually only surface at night to re-stock on air before submerging again.

TarJak · 05-14-07, 10:34 PM

I'm sailing out of Bergen in 1943 and from about 100km from the Norwegian cast at almost 2 hourly intervals I get buzzed by the RAF or Fleet Air Arm. It's a long slow painful trip to anywhere, particularly with no schnorkel.

Got banged up by two swordfish yesterday. I managed to bring one down before it could complete it's bobm run but it's partner got a shot which killed my tow flak gunners and damaged the guns. Lukily I was able to submerge before he came back but the only answer is to stay underwater and out of their way.

05-11-07, 08:47 PM	#17
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Snorkel !! get it as soon as possible, in that point of the war the planes makes miserable the life of the u-boat , turning it to a coffin. Also the luftwaffe was very bussy in germany becase the bombers were converting cities and factories in a pile of rubble. i like too flight sims and i don´t have any doubt, if i see a submarine i will dive at full speed blazing fire with all weapons __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

05-12-07, 05:18 AM	#23
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,552 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	Try to aim for the wing-roots... __________________

05-13-07, 07:05 PM	#29
Telgriff 中国水兵 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 272 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Simple rule for aircraft in GWX...crashdive. I am almost NEVER on the surface when in allied air cover areas. I usually only surface at night to re-stock on air before submerging again. __________________ Back into the hunt after far too long, GWX 3 Gold, SH3 Commander, DiD Rules, 27% realism and rising Intel Core2Duo 6400 GeForce 8800GTS 4 Gig DDr2

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05-11-07, 05:44 PM	#16
johan_d Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 556 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 1	thanks for you great explanation. i understand fully, just ranting about those blody planes from hell! haha.. I am a flightsim fanatic myself, and know a lot about planes, so it is not a suprise, the only suprise i had was that those darn guys from GWX did it so right.. its amazing how good it is, and how frustrating on the other side. I wonder if anyone can do the campaign from 1939 up to 1945 this way, gameplay wise. But, the funny part is I was always looking out for destroyers, but now, I dont care about them, the planes are the real killers. Continueing to have fun.. and tanks for your story!

05-12-07, 12:58 AM	#19
Reverie Planesman Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 195 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	I don't know if it has been factored into the software, and as it hasn't been mentioned yet, I have been finding success in the Bay of Biscay by following the Piening Route. Reverie

05-12-07, 04:19 AM	#20
cunnutazzo Soundman Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pisa, Italy Posts: 142 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Yes the airplanes are very dangerous, but it doesn't mean that your hull is reduced at 76% or less cause some bullets hits. And the airplanes are very though. In GWX the Uboot are made in aluminum and the planes are made with vanadium steel. An Uboot needs of a BOMB or more to get sunk, not some bullets hits, in this case GWX is not realistic, it is in "masochistic" mode.

05-12-07, 03:20 PM	#27
johan_d Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 556 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 1	I managed to escape, but with a hull of 29% the odds were against me. Sunk a lone merchand in sector CF, and headed north. Stumbled on a convoy, missed a target, destroyers were searching me, and worked nicely together. Depthcharged.. dead!. Well, that was the glorious fight.. it was great and thanks the GWX team for the expirience!. Time to start a new carreer. Johan

05-14-07, 10:34 PM	#30
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	I'm sailing out of Bergen in 1943 and from about 100km from the Norwegian cast at almost 2 hourly intervals I get buzzed by the RAF or Fleet Air Arm. It's a long slow painful trip to anywhere, particularly with no schnorkel. Got banged up by two swordfish yesterday. I managed to bring one down before it could complete it's bobm run but it's partner got a shot which killed my tow flak gunners and damaged the guns. Lukily I was able to submerge before he came back but the only answer is to stay underwater and out of their way.