Medals...why are they not the proper names? - Page 2

daft · 03-23-07, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

Of all the games out there though, don't you think that SH4 is the last game that wouldn't get approval? I mean its a sim. Most sims don't exactly insult the memory of the fallen.

It depends I guess. Point is we really don't know why the medals are faked. Yes, the devs could be at fault, but it could also be a number of other reasons outside their control.

hyperion2206 · 03-23-07, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Henric Edwards

I'm 99% certain that most US real life medals are copyrighted or in some way protected from being used arbitrarily in commercial products. Hence the fake medals.

I have the DE and in the manual they depicted the Bronze Star, Silver Star, Navy Cross and Medal of Honor. They all look correct so they can't be protected, meaning that there must be another reason why we only get medal of Valor or how they call them in-game.

fullmetaledges · 03-23-07, 05:13 AM

here somebody write them and ask

Chief of Naval Operations
Awards and Special Projects Branch (Code N09B33)
2000 Navy Pentagon
Washington, DC 20350-2000

but seriously, look how many games use the real ones I'm almost positivly sure that it isn't an infringement

LukeFF · 03-25-07, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Henric Edwards

I'm 99% certain that most US real life medals are copyrighted or in some way protected from being used arbitrarily in commercial products. Hence the fake medals.

Then explain why there are real medals for the US in Pacific Fighters, aka another Ubi-published sim?

Something tells me the devs took a shortcut here, for whatever reason. It's not like there are a lack of American medal references out there to research...

fullmetaledges · 03-25-07, 02:08 AM

There are files in the sh4 directory with the real medals, no idea why they didn't use them.

LukeFF · 03-25-07, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fullmetaledges

There are files in the sh4 directory with the real medals, no idea why they didn't use them.

Where at?

Tigrone · 03-25-07, 02:20 AM

Well in SH3 it was easy to replace the file, but here they are not worn in game. If the real ones exist there ought to be a way to replace the file.

The ranks are wrong too for WW2, Senior Chief and Master Chief (E8 & E9) did not exist then, Chief was the highest grade.

fullmetaledges · 03-25-07, 02:20 AM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...728#post460728

JScones · 03-25-07, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigrone

The ranks are wrong too for WW2, Senior Chief and Master Chief (E8 & E9) did not exist then, Chief was the highest grade.

Yes, they've used the same rank labels as they did in SH3, which was OK there because they were reflecting a translation of German ranks, but it's not OK here as they are meant to be actual US ranks.

So, what *should* the ranks be?

Apprentice Seaman
Seaman 2nd Class
Seaman 1st Class

Petty Officer 1st Class
Chief Petty Officer
Warrant Officer

*Ensign
*Lieutenant J.G.
*Lieutenant

*I assume one starts as a LtJG, so these may need to be:

Lieutenant J.G.
Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander

Does this sound right for the time and SH4 framework (I can't correlate the labels to the actual in-game rank insignia as I can't view the dds files)?

hyperion2206 · 03-25-07, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

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Originally Posted by Tigrone

The ranks are wrong too for WW2, Senior Chief and Master Chief (E8 & E9) did not exist then, Chief was the highest grade.

Yes, they've used the same rank labels as they did in SH3, which was OK there because they were reflecting a translation of German ranks, but it's not OK here as they are meant to be actual US ranks.

So, what *should* the ranks be?

Apprentice Seaman
Seaman 2nd Class
Seaman 1st Class

Petty Officer 1st Class
Chief Petty Officer
Warrant Officer

*Ensign
*Lieutenant J.G.
*Lieutenant

*I assume one starts as a LtJG, so these may need to be:

Lieutenant J.G.
Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander

Does this sound right for the time and SH4 framework (I can't correlate the labels to the actual in-game rank insignia as I can't view the dds files)?

As far as I know there is only 1 rank the player can hold: Lieutenant Commander. I haven't played long enough but I don't think that you can be promoted nor demoted.

Lukemb · 03-25-07, 05:40 AM

WW2 US Navy enlisted/warrant officer rank structure should be:

Apprentice Seaman
Seaman 2nd Class
Seaman 1st Class

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Petty Officer 2nd Class
Petty Officer 1st Class

Chief Petty Officer

Warrant Officer
Chief Warrant Officer

Chief Petty Officer (CPO) was the highest enlisted rank on a US sub. Usually there were 6 to 8 CPO's on a sub with the most senior holding the title of Chief Of the Boat (COB).

JackChen · 03-25-07, 08:03 AM

I guess the game is not that historically accurate.

I went through a few of the developers list and most of them are actually Romanian. So I guess, they didn't do more research

03-25-07, 02:20 AM	#22
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	In SH3 it was easy to replace them. Well in SH3 it was easy to replace the file, but here they are not worn in game. If the real ones exist there ought to be a way to replace the file. The ranks are wrong too for WW2, Senior Chief and Master Chief (E8 & E9) did not exist then, Chief was the highest grade. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

03-25-07, 08:03 AM	#27
JackChen Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 46 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ranks and Medals I guess the game is not that historically accurate. I went through a few of the developers list and most of them are actually Romanian. So I guess, they didn't do more research __________________ Deluxe Edition SH4 (No.2123), All those quid better be worth it.

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03-23-07, 05:13 AM	#18
fullmetaledges Chief Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 314 Downloads: 120 Uploads: 0	here somebody write them and ask Chief of Naval Operations Awards and Special Projects Branch (Code N09B33) 2000 Navy Pentagon Washington, DC 20350-2000 but seriously, look how many games use the real ones I'm almost positivly sure that it isn't an infringement

03-25-07, 02:08 AM	#20
fullmetaledges Chief Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 314 Downloads: 120 Uploads: 0	There are files in the sh4 directory with the real medals, no idea why they didn't use them.

03-25-07, 05:40 AM	#26
Lukemb Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 48 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	WW2 US Navy enlisted/warrant officer rank structure should be: Apprentice Seaman Seaman 2nd Class Seaman 1st Class Petty Officer 3rd Class Petty Officer 2nd Class Petty Officer 1st Class Chief Petty Officer Warrant Officer Chief Warrant Officer Chief Petty Officer (CPO) was the highest enlisted rank on a US sub. Usually there were 6 to 8 CPO's on a sub with the most senior holding the title of Chief Of the Boat (COB).