Well that sttles that. - Page 2

Iron Budokan · 03-06-07, 10:27 AM

It was an okay program. Not entirely substantive, but nice film clips.

Spray · 03-06-07, 10:34 AM

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IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.

The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.

The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact

. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?

Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!

You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html

Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time

, and this is that most of the time.

Quoted from U-boat.net

"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107, under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."

First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net, a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.

Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.

Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges.

Foghladh_mhara · 03-06-07, 10:41 AM

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IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.

The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.

The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact

. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?

Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!

You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html

Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time

, and this is that most of the time.

Quoted from U-boat.net

"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107, under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."

First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net, a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.

Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.

Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges.

I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post

Kpt. Kozloff · 03-06-07, 10:41 AM

Nevermind. I apologise if i offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. O.k.?

AVGWarhawk · 03-06-07, 10:42 AM

@Spray

You are right. Anyone can be handed the best war machine the world but if this person is not too bright then this awesome war machine is just a little red wagon. All subs were great when in the correct hands

Spray · 03-06-07, 10:56 AM

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Nevermind. I apologise if i offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. O.k.?

I apologise to its 1 in the morning and im getting cranky I missed off 100K by 4000 tonnes. Was really going for a 3 100K patrols :rotfl:. All honesty I get easily annoyed its one of the bad genes I inherited and probably the worst. Especially if someone doesn't get it after I attempt to write something a lot of times over. Anyway all good on this end I hope you now understand what I mean by you can have the best bit of technology and still lose to the worse peice of technology if you got no brain.

Spray · 03-06-07, 10:57 AM

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IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.

The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.

The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact

. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?

Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!

You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html

Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time

, and this is that most of the time.

Quoted from U-boat.net

"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107, under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."

First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net, a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.

Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.

Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges.

I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post

Ever seen a quote pyramid before?

Iron Budokan · 03-06-07, 11:21 AM

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IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.

The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.

The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact

. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?

Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!

You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html

Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time

, and this is that most of the time.

Quoted from U-boat.net

"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107, under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."

First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net, a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.

Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.

Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges.

I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post

Ever seen a quote pyramid before?

You mean like this one?

Kpt. Kozloff · 03-06-07, 11:29 AM

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Nevermind. I apologise if i offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. O.k.?

I apologise to its 1 in the morning and im getting cranky I missed off 100K by 4000 tonnes. Was really going for a 3 100K patrols :rotfl:. All honesty I get easily annoyed its one of the bad genes I inherited and probably the worst. Especially if someone doesn't get it after I attempt to write something a lot of times over. Anyway all good on this end I hope you now understand what I mean by you can have the best bit of technology and still lose to the worse peice of technology if you got no brain.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

It reminds me of a joke about two deaf pigeons sitting on a branch:
First goes: "You're stupid"
Second: "You're stupid"

We've been going on about two different things there, not understanding what other meant. Classic! Similar to politics though. Or two dogs barking at two different trees.

At least we've beaten the quote piramid record!:rotfl:

NipplesTheCat · 03-06-07, 11:49 AM

A wise group of men once said,...

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IXB was counted msot succesful sub on the German side in all of WW2. The AK-47 is rated in the top 10 guns of the world but could easily be beat by some other guns F2000 L8 etc.

The most succesful German submarine of WW2 was U-48, a VIIb type. That's a fact.

The most succesful class was the IXB and thats a fact

. VII's there is no point arguing and If I said that the Flower Corvette was the most powerfull DD yes DD of WW2 on TV you would beleive me?

Oh boy,
Stop blabbing and check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_48_%281939%29
Statistics matey!

You linked 1 boat now just find the statistics for all the other IIB's compare them to the IXB's and tell me what you find out. Also using wikipedia to back up an argument is a bad idea wikipedia is a open sourced information center anyone can write anything that they want about it. So NEXT time read the full post. Oh and heres my backup. http://uboat.net/types/index.html

Would you look at that IXB most victorious IIC workhorse IIB awww nothing. And unlike wiki this is a good source which contains captains logs etc. Now next time promise me you will look up the facts arguing yours before you go ahead and make yourself look like a fool. Ive been around discussion forums quite a bit mostly bf2s.com Debate and Serious Talk section. So I do know what im talking about.... most of the time

, and this is that most of the time.

Quoted from U-boat.net

"Type IXB was an improved version of type IX with increased range of 1500 nautical miles and slightly heavier. The designed was improved again in the IXC type.
This type was the most successful overall with each boat averaging over 100,000 tons of sinking. They had 23 torpedoes stored which gave a determined U-boat commander a serious striking power which could be used night after night against the same convoy, as was often the case.
Perhaps the most famous IXB boat was the U-123 under the command of Kptlt. Hardegen which opened up the attack in the US waters in early 1942 known as Operation Drumbeat. U-107, under the command of Hessler, made the most successful convoy mission of the war over with close to 100,000 tons sunk out of Freetown, Africa."

First of all, i quoted Wikipedia because it's an open source and easily revisable. The link was to U-48 which is presented very scrupulously in the Wiki. Second, i've done that to show you why the VII type boat was voted No1 in that TV show. It's because of it iconic value. U-48 was the most single succesful u-boat in the WW2 and that's where this iconic status derives from. As well as VII type commanders were the best known. That's all there is.
And yes i know www.uboat.net, a brilliant site, but the information in this case was better put in the Wiki.
You take it way too personally mate.
For the record i linked the statistic with a VIIb boat not IIb.
Oh, and about reading the full post, it's not about combat capabilities of certain subs, because how to compare IX type to Typhoon class? Ergo, i don't think you understood the subject of this thread.

Once again you fail to pass basic English comprehension and really if you are going to use the excuse I don't speak English as a first language guess what neither do I. So lets see you have some problems in understanding how I said that THE CAPTAIN MATTERS MORE THEN THE SUB. AND I SAID A IIA WOULD DEFEAT A TYHPOON CLASS IF IT HAD A BETTER CAPTAIN AND IF THE TYPHOON CLASS HAD A CRAP CAPTAIN. Hopefully writing in caps will make you pay more attention it seems like its something you lack. If you want to continue this pm me cause I can tell this is going to frustrate the crap outta me. Or another option is take English Comprehension 101 and get back to me.

Oh and if the judges voted that the number 1 boat because one of them performed greatly i'd re look the intellect of the judges.

I dont have anything to say on this subject. Just havent seen so many quotes in one post

Ever seen a quote pyramid before?

You mean like this one?

Ducimus · 03-06-07, 01:06 PM

Less filling, tastes great.

Eagle Eye · 03-06-07, 01:20 PM

I have two Careers going one in a VIIB and one in a IXC. And I have to say I love the experiance of each boat.

robbo180265 · 03-06-07, 02:01 PM

Daddy or Chips?

Only the Brits will get that one - sorry

Rykaird · 03-06-07, 02:31 PM

I got killed (again) in the Med in my IXB. Had a blast, until I got blasted. I started a new career in a VIIB. Having a blast, and will continue to do so, until I get careless again, and get blasted.

Both are great. Both can rack up amazing tonnage. Do you like visiting far off, exotic locales? Get a IX. Do you want to stay local and become the "wolf in the darkness", the terror of the North Atlantic convoy? Get a VII.

The funny thing is we're arguing over what amounts to rather small differences in performance, range, and loadout envelopes. They're all WWII U-Boats.

Tribalism at its finest.

robbo180265 · 03-06-07, 02:44 PM

In all honesty having tried both I like them both. They serve two different purposes IMO.

At the moment my campaign sub is a IX and I'm having loads of fun with the extra range and torpedos. But I might well go back to the IIV and do my next campaign.

I'ts like the difference between the Spitfire and the Hurricane.

03-06-07, 10:27 AM	#16
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	It was an okay program. Not entirely substantive, but nice film clips. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

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Kpt. Kozloff Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jersey - Channel Islands, UK Posts: 305 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Nevermind. I apologise if i offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. O.k.? __________________ GWX1.03/Cmdr2.7/plus all sorts of tweaks

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,303 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	@Spray You are right. Anyone can be handed the best war machine the world but if this person is not too bright then this awesome war machine is just a little red wagon. All subs were great when in the correct hands __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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03-06-07, 01:06 PM	#26
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Less filling, tastes great.

03-06-07, 01:20 PM	#27
Eagle Eye Bosun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have two Careers going one in a VIIB and one in a IXC. And I have to say I love the experiance of each boat.

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robbo180265 Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton, England.Party capital of the south Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Daddy or Chips? Only the Brits will get that one - sorry

03-06-07, 02:31 PM	#29
Rykaird Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	I got killed (again) in the Med in my IXB. Had a blast, until I got blasted. I started a new career in a VIIB. Having a blast, and will continue to do so, until I get careless again, and get blasted. Both are great. Both can rack up amazing tonnage. Do you like visiting far off, exotic locales? Get a IX. Do you want to stay local and become the "wolf in the darkness", the terror of the North Atlantic convoy? Get a VII. The funny thing is we're arguing over what amounts to rather small differences in performance, range, and loadout envelopes. They're all WWII U-Boats. Tribalism at its finest.

03-06-07, 02:44 PM	#30
robbo180265 Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton, England.Party capital of the south Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	In all honesty having tried both I like them both. They serve two different purposes IMO. At the moment my campaign sub is a IX and I'm having loads of fun with the extra range and torpedos. But I might well go back to the IIV and do my next campaign. I'ts like the difference between the Spitfire and the Hurricane.