AMD Releases Final R600 Specs

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Originally Posted by Boris

I've always sided with AMD anyway, as I've always seen Intel as the evil empire of CPUs.
I'll definitely be looking at buying one (or maybe an 8800) depending on price. My x1950xt won't have lost too much resale value either.

AMD 0wNz !NT3L lol.... amds quad cores are coming out in few months they will be 40%ish faster then intel quadcore(poop) :rotfl: , ati r600 is 12.4 inches long so get ready to buy new full server tower case for it

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Boris

I've always sided with AMD anyway, as I've always seen Intel as the evil empire of CPUs.
I'll definitely be looking at buying one (or maybe an 8800) depending on price. My x1950xt won't have lost too much resale value either.

My x1900 XTX will have lost a lot of its value - I paid $570 for it, and that was a steal at the time.

As far as this x2900 goes - I'll pass. What is not written here is that it eats 240 Watts (ouch! Talk about a space heater sitting inside your case! I thought my x1900 XTX at 120 Watts was already outrageous!), and that it is over a foot long and probably won't fit into my Coolermaster Wavemaster case. I'll wait till the x2950 comes out with lower PSU requirements and increase performance. Over the years I've learned to not buy the first rev of a new board design since the first rev typically requires a vacuum cleaner to keep it cool. As they make the design more efficient, then it becomes more desirable.

-S

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

My x1900 XTX will have lost a lot of its value - I paid $570 for it, and that was a steal at the time.

As far as this x2900 goes - I'll pass. What is not written here is that it eats 240 Watts (ouch! Talk about a space heater sitting inside your case! I thought my x1900 XTX at 120 Watts was already outrageous!), and that it is over a foot long and probably won't fit into my Coolermaster Wavemaster case. I'll wait till the x2950 comes out with lower PSU requirements and increase performance. Over the years I've learned to not buy the first rev of a new board design since the first rev typically requires a vacuum cleaner to keep it cool. As they make the design more efficient, then it becomes more desirable.

-S

Here's a present day x1950xtx:

Connect3D Radeon X1950XTX 512MB Connect3D ATI Radeon X1950XTX 512MB DDR4 Dual DVI/VIVO PCI-Express Video Card MFN 3060 RETAIL Specification 3060 Chipset: Radeon X1950 XTX Engine Clock: 650MHz Video Memory: 512MB DDR4 Memory Clock: 2GHz Memory Interface: 256 b ...
Dealer Part C3D-195XTX Manuf Part 3060 February 16,2007 14:21:00

Price $365.90 free shipping

or a regular old x1900gt for:

ATI Radeon X1900GT 256MB GDDR 3 SDRAM 575MHz Core and 594 (1 188) MHz Memory Clock Rates Up to 512-bit Internal Ring Bus for Memory Reads 384 Million Transistors on 90nm PCIE RETAIL ... Dealer Part ATI100435800 Manuf Part 100-435800
February 02,2007 20:49:00Price $272.99
Ship free ups ground order $300 $272.99

[Boris]

Well mine is a x1950xt, which is not to be confused with an xtx... couldn't affort that.

The x1950xt is only slightly better than the x1900xt. It's still retailing for the same price I bought it at in November (about €230).

My low budget means I'll probably be buying the 512mb xt model of the x2900. I'm confident I'll already be able to play SH4 ok, but I want to be able to play Crysis when it comes out, which is DX10 only.

[flintlock]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

As they make the design more efficient, then it becomes more desirable.

This is true enough, though looks like this time around they're going with more sophisticated cooling right from the onset.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Boris

I'm confident I'll already be able to play SH4 ok

Yes, you´ll be.

but I want to be able to play Crysis when it comes out, which is DX10 only.

Crysis supports DX9 and DX10 (Pixel Shader 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0).

[Boris]

Really? I always thought they delayed the release of Crysis because they were waiting for DX10 to become the norm.
I guess I don't have to rush into things then. I'll wait and see what Crysis plays like and if it's worth the extra power. It's a while till release anyway.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Boris

Really? I always thought they delayed the release of Crysis because they were waiting for DX10 to become the norm.
I guess I don't have to rush into things then. I'll wait and see what Crysis plays like and if it's worth the extra power. It's a while till release anyway.

Crysis will play the same on DX9 as it will on DX10. DX9.0 F is on the way to support PS 4.0 and everything else DX10 does for XP.

-S

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

DX9.0 F is on the way to support PS 4.0 and everything else DX10 does for XP.

Source?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Source?

Seems I am behind the times. They are way beyond F and going to L!!! Wow - missed that change. ANyway, more info can be found here:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35110

-S

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Crysis will play the same on DX9 as it will on DX10. DX9.0 F is on the way to support PS 4.0 and everything else DX10 does for XP.
-S

I read somewhere that DX10 will only be for Vista and how come no one has posted about Vista after it came out, yet?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by geetrue

I read somewhere that DX10 will only be for Vista and how come no one has posted about Vista after it came out, yet?

DX10 is a rework of DX9 to incorporate a few additional features, but mainly it is written to support the new glass desktop natively. This desktop will not ever be on XP, but the added features in DX10 will be in the form of DX9L. From what I hear, DX9L will be a bit more efficient so your games may actually play fast on 9.0L than 10.

I am not too keen to load Vista. I have 10 copies of biz ed of Vista here, but I haven't bothered to upgrade anyone yet since it lacks support for a few of my software apps that are critical to this business. I have a friend stopping by the MS store later today, and I thought I might get him to get me a copy of Ultimate, but then again, I like the way my home system is right now, so I told him no for now. I agonized about it for a bit. I'll probably still get a copy of Ultimate, but it will be a slow transition for me since it gives me nothing over what I already have now outside of a better GUI.

Just my thoughts on the subject. Now that I am rambling, I'll just quit here.

-S

[Boris]

Well, that completely squashes my need for Vista any time in the near future.

[flintlock]

You guys have DX9.0L all backwards.

DX9.0L is for Vista only. It's there so you can play DX9.0x games on Vista (mainly there for Aero though). It's not a DX10 for WinXP.

So Boris, if you plan on playing DX10 games, you're going to need Vista. Unfortunately, WinXP will have no API to support it.

[Boris]

Well thats just awesome