Global Warming

[STEED]

Sir Richard Branson wants you to come up with the solution.


Branson offers $25m to save planet

[Oberon]

Whereas the Norweigans are being a bit more realistic.

Personally I think that they should build another vault for animal embryos, and then perhaps large bomb shelters in each country. Won't do anything for Global Warming....but should help against large rocks.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by Seth8530

As for the hurcains and late winter( I attribute this to Elnino) its just odd seasonol

The el nino effect is a natural phenomenon that's been happening for yonks. But it's strength and effect is being intensified and warped by global warming (which is why it's only become a media issue in recent years). Hence the hurricanes in the states, and the droughts back in Australia.
It's amazing what a few degrees change in ocean currents can do.

Originally Posted by Boris

The el nino effect is a natural phenomenon that's been happening for yonks. But it's strength and effect is being intensified and warped by global warming (which is why it's only become a media issue in recent years). Hence the hurricanes in the states, and the droughts back in Australia.
It's amazing what a few degrees change in ocean currents can do.

Or, have we only heard of el nino in recent years because a 24 hour news cycle has to be filled, and not because it has changed in yonks?

[Onkel Neal]

Global warming: natural cyclic phenomena or heavily augmented by manmade activities. I've been a skeptic of the latter, mainly because I feel the verdict is not in, and I know there is a propensity for some people to cry "end of the world". But Al Gore aside, evidence is firming up in favor of the impact greenhouse gasses have on the climate.

Feb. 9, 2007, 12:47AM
Exxon Mobil has no more doubts on warming
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4539329.html

Still, there are a lot of unanswered questions about what to do about it, and how willing people are to affect major changes in their lives. If the projections are correct that even if we completely stopped emitting greenhouse gases today global warming would not abate for 100 years. If we are going to do something effective, it will have to be sweeping and massive. So, are we ready for these changes? These changes will be more than outlawing gas guzzling SUVs and hot tubs in California. Government caps on electricity usage (1 hour a week on the Internet)? Forget owning a private auto, and yes, you will need to move your residence to walking or bike distance of your job. No more air conditioning (note to self, buy stock on screen door manufacturers). Yeah, I know what you're thinking, I'm being silly. Maybe… but will small changes in our lifestyles have any effect on global warming? :hmm:

I have a strong feeling even the greenest Chicken Littles will squeal when they have to give up many of the things we have come to see as normal. But, this may become a global necessity.

What about the hole in the ozone layer we used to hear so much about. I recently read, can't remember where but I'll look for it, that the colder the earth is the larger the hole and visa versa. Perhaps we will do more damage over all if we try to fix a non-existant problem. Wouldn't be the first time.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Seth8530

Are we going to burn a hole is our o zone with cfc, or are they to heavy to get up there.

Already happened, Seth. There's many hole in the layer, some of them seasonal, the rest permanent.

CFC dispersion has little or nothing to do with the weight of the particles.

http://www.so.wustl.edu/science_outr...s/heavier.html

So much evidence of warming:

Snow blankets the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) as crew members prepare for an ammunition onload with the Military Sealift Command (MSC) dry cargo/ammunition ship USNS Lewis and Clark (T-AKE 1). Truman is currently underway conducting operations in the Atlantic Ocean.


Attack submarine USS Virginia (SSN 774) is covered in snow and moored to the pier at Submarine Base New London.



(Feb. 7, 2007) - Deck department Sailors manning the phone and distance line bundle up against the cold and snow on the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75)




OSWEGO - Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer declared a state disaster emergency Thursday for Oswego County - battered by five straight days of lake-effect squalls that have buried some areas in nearly 7 feet of snow.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by waste gate

So much evidence of warming:

Snow blankets the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) as crew members prepare for an ammunition onload with the Military Sealift Command (MSC) dry cargo/ammunition ship USNS Lewis and Clark (T-AKE 1). Truman is currently underway conducting operations in the Atlantic Ocean.

Gosh, who can argue in the face of those hard, scientific facts? Snow!!

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Gosh, who can argue in the face of those hard, scientific facts? Snow!!

That is my point. Where is the scientific fact that we are causing global warming.

Back when Lief Erikson discovered Greenland it was green. Not so much today. Did humans contribute to Greenland being green?

Besides, people cannot even tell me what the weather will be next week, much less in the next decade, or, the next century or millenium.


This whole 'global warming' thing is meant to do one thing. Take money from those who have and redistibute it to those who don't. If I came to your house in the same manner you would shoot me.

[peterloo]

Originally Posted by Seth8530

so what do yall think? Is it phoney bologni, or is it real deal. Are we going to burn a hole is our o zone with cfc, or are they to heavy to get up there. Are we going to smother in co2 from our own machines, or could this all be "the inconvienent lie"

YALL DECIDE!

I'm afraid that its real... Go to wikipedia and you will see those horrible figures... White House probably related to the covering up of this, hoping that they industrial outputs are not affected or cut (in order to reduce emission of CO2)

However, you should also ask the Australian guys... They have just suffered... Next time, it might be YOU...

[Ducimus]

I personally think global warming is real. I used to think it was alot of left wing Hippi treehugging BS, but over the years ive changed my mind. The evidence and signs are all around us. The problem is many people obstinatly refuse to beleive it. I love it when people point to cold weather as "proof" that global warming is hogwash.

The fact that some areas are getting colder then normal weather IS proof of global warming. In layman's terms, there's two major ocean currents that act is sort of a circulation system. The gulf stream and north atlantic dift, they are responsible for the weather many areas traditionally experience. As the ice caps melt, it throws these circulation systems out of whack with colder water entering this system, resulting in a temperature drop because its not circulating the warmer currents like it used to.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I personally think global warming is real. I used to think it was alot of left wing Hippi treehugging BS, but over the years ive changed my mind. The evidence and signs are all around us. The problem is many people obstinatly refuse to beleive it. I love it when people point to cold weather as "proof" that global warming is hogwash.

The fact that some areas are getting colder then normal weather IS proof of global warming. In layman's terms, there's two major ocean currents that act is sort of a circulation system. The gulf stream and north atlantic dift, they are responsible for the weather many areas traditionally experience. As the ice caps melt, it throws these circulation systems out of whack with colder water entering this system, resulting in a temperature drop because its not circulating the warmer currents like it used to.

I don't anyone believes that climate change isn't happening Ducimus. The argument is what effect is man having on it and whether we can, or should try to reverse it and what that would mean for our quality of life.

[Ducimus]

Well, i was responding to the OP. And yes, there are many people who dont' beleive it. You should hear my grandfather on this issue. WOW.

Again, personnally, i don't think we'll do anything about it because of right wing politic's. By the time even they concede that something should be done, it will be too late. I find solice im adopting the same selfish stance as alot of people do..... "ill be dead by then, so it won't matter". Although, a climate shift could concievablyh appen in my lifetime, but ill be one foot in the grave by then anyway, so again, it wont matter.

That's not to say i dont want to do anything about it. I think for starters we need to stop using fossil fuel. Much to the arab words dismay im sure

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, i was responding to the OP. And yes, there are many people who dont' beleive it. You should hear my grandfather on this issue. WOW.

Again, personnally, i don't think we'll do anything about it because of right wing politic's. By the time even they concede that something should be done, it will be too late. I find solice im adopting the same selfish stance as alot of people do..... "ill be dead by then, so it won't matter". Although, a climate shift could concievablyh appen in my lifetime, but ill be one foot in the grave by then anyway, so again, it wont matter.

That's not to say i dont want to do anything about it. I think for starters we need to stop using fossil fuel. Much to the arab words dismay im sure

You can stop using fossil fuels tomorrow my friend. Call your power company and cancell your service. Do not use your automobile or any conveyance which uses electricity or fuel oil. If you are not willing to do those things don't ask anyone else to make the sacrafice you are not willing to make.

I for one do not believe that human activity has anything to do with any warming so I will continue to use electricity, drive my car and live in the 21st century.

I challenge you to have the courage of your convictions.