Congress Shafts Second Amendment... Again

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

If it is the opinion of the government you can't be trusted with alcohol until 21, makes sense to me you shouldn't be able to own a gun either. IIRC, it doesn't stop parents from taking their kids out to shoot?

PD

But you can be trusted to vote.? Which do you think effects more people?

[bookworm_020]

What are you complaning about? Try getting a gun licence in Australia, let alone a gun!!!

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

What are you complaning about? Try getting a gun licence in Australia, let alone a gun!!!

Because we don't want to be like Australia, Britain, France, Germany, the former Soviet Union (known as Russia now), etc, etc, etc.

That is what we are complaining about.

[U-533]

There are at least 300 weapon owners that I know, including yours truly,
if they come to get our weapons the morgue and the local football stadium wont be big enough to hold the bodies.

Maybe after all us "Good ol Boys" are dead and gone they can play that sh**.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Yes, but they are very different kinds of effects. I believe guns should be 21 and over as alcohol is because of the immediate physical danger presented by both. 18-21 voting MAY have an effect on more people, but to do so requires that a signifigant portion of society already votes the way 18-21 year olds do. Drunk driving or gun violence committed by those under 21 doesn't require that a large portion of society already agrees with the 18-21 year old committing the act. I have no problem with people shooting guns for fun, I just believe that it can't possibly hurt for them to be 21 or doing it with the consent of their guardian.

PD

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Yes, but they are very different kinds of effects. I believe guns should be 21 and over as alcohol is because of the immediate physical danger presented by both. 18-21 voting MAY have an effect on more people, but to do so requires that a signifigant portion of society already votes the way 18-21 year olds do. Drunk driving or gun violence committed by those under 21 doesn't require that a large portion of society already agrees with the 18-21 year old committing the act. I have no problem with people shooting guns for fun, I just believe that it can't possibly hurt for them to be 21 or doing it with the consent of their guardian.

PD

I think you are mixing your apples and oranges by equating fire arm ownership with driving while intoxicated. One is a constitutionally guaranteed right and the other is a crime.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I think you are mixing your apples and oranges by equating fire arm ownership with driving while intoxicated. One is a constitutionally guaranteed right and the other is a crime.

But not to those under 21.

PD

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

But not to those under 21.

PD

What do you mean? Last I checked driving intoxicated is a crime no matter what age the individual. Constitutionally guaranteed rights apply to everyone.
Just because the laws say otherwise does not abrogate the right. Remember governments do not give a human being rights, governments are established to protect those rights.

[Bort]

As has been shown previously, I am in favor of very strict gun control, but several of these laws leave a bad taste in my mouth. The 21 year old purchase rule- this brings me to a gripe I have about the whole 18 or 21 thing, you can be drafted, fight and die in a war, smoke, go to prison and even be sentenced to death at 18, but you cannot drink, and now perhaps you cannot own a gun either. The government needs to make up its mind what the legal age is for everything not just cherrypicking some rights and liabilities to be active at age 18 while others do not come into force until 21, one or the other guys, make up your minds. As far as the toy guns go, this is absurd. I am a huge fan of airsoft and combat simulation and this rule is as dumb as they come. Fake weapons are mandated to have orange tips and if parents are too moronic to fail to teach their kids not to point fake guns at the police or passersby then good riddance- fools.

[PeriscopeDepth]

There are several constiutional rights with imposed limits. Just like those under 18 cannot vote, I think those under 21 should have to have a guardian if they want to go shooting. I don't think an 18 year old should be able to go out and buy a gun without a parent. You do. I think we've reached the end of usefullness of this debate.

FYI, I am not an anti gun type. My dad started taking me shooting when I was eight.

PD

[Enigma]

Because we don't want to be like Australia, Britain, France, Germany

How do American gun related homicides and crimes stack up to those up the countries listed?

[Enigma]

Alright! a long awaited Brothel Avatar! YESSSS!

EDIT*Damn! And in one post, it's gone.

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

There are several constiutional rights with imposed limits. Just like those under 18 cannot vote, I think those under 21 should have to have a guardian if they want to go shooting. I don't think an 18 year old should be able to go out and buy a gun without a parent. You do. I think we've reached the end of usefullness of this debate.

FYI, I am not an anti gun type. My dad started taking me shooting when I was eight.

PD

Please, for my edification name one 'constitutionally guaranteed right' which imposes limits on individual freedom.

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

How do American gun related homicides and crimes stack up to those up the countries listed?

Probably higher in the US but it's immaterial. Whether it's a gun, knife, baseball bat or handy open high rise window anyone intending to commit murder is going to find a way.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

Probably higher in the US but it's immaterial. Whether it's a gun, knife, baseball bat or handy open high rise window anyone intending to commit murder is going to find a way.

USA - 5.9
Australia - 1.28
Britain - 1.62
France - 1.64
Germany - 0.98

Thats the murder rate as a whole per 100,000 people, it doesnt discriminate by method. For the 2000's so far.