This ought to fire you up - Page 2

fatty · 01-07-07, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

You really think deterrence won't work? Amejinethingamajig doesn't seem stable but I think a lot is show.

I agree.

I'd bet the Iranian government will not wave their nuclear stick much more if/when they acquire the bomb. They'd be quite aware that a good deal of American nuclear weapons will be pointed squarely at them and, more importantly, their people. I think there are still lots of Iranians who aren't interested in being vapourized by a nuclear counter-strike just yet, even if it means erasing Israel.

And of course, we all know that revolution has happened before in Iran.:hmm:

This article was a step in the right direction - reminding Iranians of the consequences for going nuclear.

baggygreen · 01-07-07, 08:35 PM

Im all for it - provided there is a constant flow of diplomatic pressure on. Yes, i know that it wont count for jack etc, but you've got to be seen to be doing the right thing before taking such a step.

The Avon Lady · 01-08-07, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

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Military analysts said the disclosure of the plans could be intended to put pressure on Tehran to halt enrichment, cajole America into action or soften up world opinion in advance of an Israeli attack.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...535310,00.html

I should have paid attention to the author of this article at the Times. I've come across his rubbish before.

This should give you some idea of author Uzi Mahnaimi's reputation and reliability.

Then ask yourself what kind of newspaper actually pays people like Mahnaimi to work for them.

Enigma · 01-08-07, 10:03 AM

dean_acheson · 01-08-07, 10:45 AM

Amazing, the mentality of some folks on this issue....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/7/115611/5148

For some on the hard left, I don't think that there will be happiness until we are all living under Shria.... it's like the new Marxist/Leninist/Maoism....

Anything and anybody that is against republicanism, capitalism, and liberalism is fine with us! The enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality of the college hippy crowd.

Enigma · 01-08-07, 11:07 AM

Reading that article from Kos, I think anyone would have to say that there is logic to it. It's not an extremst view at all. Nor a suprising consideration.

Beyond that, your comments are just, well, silly.

For the record, I consider myself left of center, but I think the Daily Kos is a rag, and tend to be partial towards a much more level headed crowd. (or source.)

The Avon Lady · 01-08-07, 11:37 AM

[QUOTE=Enigma]Reading that article from Kos, I think anyone would have to say that there is logic to it. It's not an extremst view at all. Nor a suprising consideration.[quote]
To sum it up nicely, I'll quote poster LeftOut at LGF, who quotes from the article's end:

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leftout 1/7/2007 07:37PM PST

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I am not here advocating an Iranian ‘preemptive’ strike on Israel or the U.S. But those who argue for a U.S./Israeli first-strike on Iran should be, at least if they have even a modicum of respect for the basic moral principle of universality (that we apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to others, if not more stringent ones - to paraphrase Noam Chomsky). Those that don't - at last count, all of them - should not be taken seriously.

Ah, the musky aroma of moral relativism.

All cultures are equal. Cannibals have as much right to eat human flesh as Americans have to eat Quarter pounders. Who am I to make value judgements?

There are a lot more comments worth reading there that show the imbecility of this KOS article - one of many.

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Beyond that, your comments are just, well, silly.

Well, well.

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For the record, I consider myself left of center

The center itself has long ago been shifted left.

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Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	__________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

01-08-07, 11:07 AM	#6
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Reading that article from Kos, I think anyone would have to say that there is logic to it. It's not an extremst view at all. Nor a suprising consideration. Beyond that, your comments are just, well, silly. For the record, I consider myself left of center, but I think the Daily Kos is a rag, and tend to be partial towards a much more level headed crowd. (or source.) __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

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01-07-07, 08:35 PM	#2
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Im all for it - provided there is a constant flow of diplomatic pressure on. Yes, i know that it wont count for jack etc, but you've got to be seen to be doing the right thing before taking such a step.

01-08-07, 10:45 AM	#5
dean_acheson Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Midwest - USA Posts: 1,057 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	Amazing, the mentality of some folks on this issue.... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/7/115611/5148 For some on the hard left, I don't think that there will be happiness until we are all living under Shria.... it's like the new Marxist/Leninist/Maoism.... Anything and anybody that is against republicanism, capitalism, and liberalism is fine with us! The enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality of the college hippy crowd.