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04-12-17, 07:19 AM | #196 |
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Would you like to tell us about it?
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04-12-17, 07:44 AM | #197 |
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The latest narration on it in English I found.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/travel...-counting.html Costs exploding. Five years late and counting. Too small already at planning state. Weekly costs of millions to just maintain the construction site where no work gets done. The city state of Berlin is not rich, but highly corrupt and subsidized by other states. But always having a big, super-wide mouth. I know Berlin since decades, I lived there. Bah. And what the article does not say: since some months now first legal experts and external construction experts say the mess is so complete that the whole place will never open and probably will need to get dismantled. Incometence, planning dilletantism, impostors, personal animosities, fraud, corruption, a completely incompetent senate (Berlin politics since decades are a mess...) - it all came together. You will find no case in wole Europe that is even close to this mess, not even in Greece. Hey, in 2013 short before the planned opening I said "Never! Not before another 5 years - minimum!" And now 2018 is coming...
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04-13-17, 06:52 AM | #198 |
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^Apply for more EU subsidies
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04-13-17, 07:13 AM | #199 |
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^ what do you think we'll do with the 50 billions
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04-13-17, 07:35 AM | #200 |
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Give it to some net receiver no doubt
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04-17-17, 07:29 AM | #201 |
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Turkey's new sultan Erdoghan seems to have gotten what he wanted, a new state order with him as the strong Führer, so the coup he staged last year (I take it for granted that he has been the driving force behind it) and the tens of thousands of journalists, critics, intellectuals arrested, finally have paid off. Thats is no surprise, since a majority of the Turks has voted for Erdoghan and the AKP. However, the gap between Ynd Nay is exytremely close, a hair's width only.
Considering the last detail, the narrowness of this decision, somethign else catches the attention. Of the Turks in Germany, two in three have voted for the change in Turkey. What does this say about their willingness to integrate into the state order in Germany, and their attitude towards "democracy"? A rethoric question only, I do not wait for answers, since everybody can know them already. Its like I always said. Integration of Turks in Germany, as integration of Mulsim groups in Germany and in Europe in general, is a disaster story. It has failed, due to active resistence by the "migrants". Colonists is a better word. The last echoes of the old Kemalistic order has been swept away now. The old Turkey of pre-Erdoghan times is no more. The militrary now by majopirty supports erdoghan, and has betrayed its function as guardian of the Kemalist constitution. Which again is no surprise, sinc eErdighan since one decade has systematically exchnaged the officer corps and has made sure that his followers advance through the ranks in record time, to bring them in control of the armed forces. Merkels reaction? She appealed to Erdoghan to be reaosnable. This while 15 German nationals are held in arrest since months and all embassy contact to them being rejected, Turkey'S intelligence service being probabaly th emost actove and one of the most hostile ones in Germans, erdoghan critics are being hunted and targetted by Turkish agents in Germany, and the offences by Erdoghan do not end. I have started to read the German ediiton of this book by Jason brennan, "Against democracy". One of these bhooks that make you aware of how rotten and misled the fundament of our western order is. We get what we asked for, and so we deserve it.
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04-17-17, 12:20 PM | #202 |
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63 percent of Turks living in Germany voted FOR Erdoghan.
What a pity that the vote was secret, otherwise i would really like those 63 percent to migrate to, and live in, the new Turkey.
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04-17-17, 12:58 PM | #203 |
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Freedom and Democracy in action!
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04-17-17, 01:13 PM | #204 |
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They already do. New Turkey is here in Germany and Europe. Haven't you noticed that yet?
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04-17-17, 01:34 PM | #205 |
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Here's erdogan's upcoming speech. I understand it's top secret, though! So keep it to yourself..
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04-17-17, 04:50 PM | #206 |
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One shall reap what one sows.
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04-18-17, 01:40 PM | #207 | ||||||||
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So againb, to make this one clear - Germany in the 50s and 60s started n egotiaitosn with Italy, Greece, Yugoslavia to have guests workers coming to germany. Turkey was EXCLUDED from the German wishlist. It was Washsington that forced Germany to let the Turks in, and then it was Washington that demanded that the treaties with Turkey limiting the stay and banning the family movement should be ignored. Quote:
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That FdJ-agitator and propagandist Angela Merkel led Germany into that "refugeee-deal" with Turkey, making Germany extrmeely vulnerale for blakcmailign and abise that way, of course also has somethign to do with it. Merkel'S cabinet wanted to close the borders when they realsied what a desaster they had unleashed back in 2015 - and then they shied away since they feared the power of the images in the intenraitonal press once the borders would have been shut down. None of the whole cabint crew was willing to take that responsibility, these cowardish traitors. Quote:
Add to the religious thing the ultra-strong Turkish nationalism, and then you have it. Quote:
Thinking is for cold-hearted traders, ios for the much hated englische Krämerseele. We do not rationalise. We feel! Or better - they feel like this. Myself, I do not feel typically German at all. And I am not a typical German. I am a foreigner in my own country of birth. Too cold-blooded and heartless I am, I get told. Too rational. "Rational" - in Germany, that is an offence! Well, I thank for the compliment that it indeed is.
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04-19-17, 01:47 PM | #208 |
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Forgive the many typos that I produce en masse, I just cannot type well, and I am too lazy and too impatient to correct my texts endlessly once I am finished, an unforgivable character flaw, I know I know... . "Was Hänschen nicht lernt, lernt Hans nimmermehr." (= What young Hans[chen] has never learnt, old Hans will not learn anymore. ) edit: P.S. The treaty I referred to, was signed by a government under Konrad Adenauer CDU) in 1961, after such treaties were signed with Spain, Greece in the imminent years directly before. The German demnd for workers was immense at that time. The German history telling is uncomplete on it usually, for the importane of the conflict between Adenauer and Ludwig Erhard (SPD) gets usually ignored. Adenauer thought of the economy as a tool that had to obey foreign political paradigms, where as Erhard, only formally a SPD member but in fact a libertarian and economic realist (father of the so-called German Wirtschaftswunder), spoke against this view and poitned out that economic laws, like natural laws, could not be violated without damaging the economy sooner or later. Both men were at odds with each other, and since Erhard was a very untypical politicians not caring for party borders, he managed to collect the hositlity of all parties - despite the fundamental truth and success of his policies. Erhard was strictly against the Turks, saying that their culturla background and European culture would not match well. Adenauer wanted to obey the Ameican demands, to establish Germany better again oin the American poltical radar, since Germany at that tiem still was nothign more than juist a tiny, obdient vasall, which it remaiend to be for even more decades to come. And so the decision on the Turkish treaty was shifted from Erhard's ministry of ecnomy to the foreign ministry, which obeyed Adenauer. After signing of the treaty with Turkey (and before that, Spain, Italy, Greece), more such treaties were signed with Tunesia, Southkorea, Yugoslavia, and Portugal. And a correction: the so-called rotation principle, that demanded workers to leave again, said that the time they could stay was just 2 years (not 5 or 10 years as I qoted by memory above). The final verdict on the guest worker strategy is controversial. While some say it made sure the industry in Germany of the 60s and 70s could grow, others point out that only heavy industrial structures were supported by this, while new technologies and new economic foci were hindered by it. Considering the immense negative heritage the massive Muslim migration has caused for Germany from then until today, I tend to see it mostly negative. The consequences of it, the price we pay for it, have become evident not before the early 90s. But since then they grew into something that now has run out of of control. The genie is out of the bottle - biggest mistake Europe made since 1933 and 1939.
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04-21-17, 04:15 AM | #209 |
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Just the other day I read an article about "the Russian Akula class" which was about the (Nato) typhoon class - picturing a pr971 in the header. Ouch. That's a good example why not to take the press serious when it's about anything military. |
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