Obamacare

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

My understanding is a bank account is needed for direct withdrawal. The government probably does not want to spend billions tracking down delinquent account holders. The IRS has no issues garnishing wages for past due taxes. They will have no reservation holding any tax returns for delinquent healthcare accounts or any fines for those that do not produce proof of insurance. If anyone thinks that all will gladly pay each month on time for healthcare then I would suspect these same folks would purchase that bridge in NY.

I find it scary that healthcare pc system is connected with the IRS and SS system. I bet in the end it will cost the IRS more to collect fines than what the fines are.

I don't see how they can fine if the system doesn't work. Obama's speech yesterday was a joke. Find it funny he says if online doesn't work, you can call. If you call, they'll just mail you a crap load of forms that they say takes a lawyer to figure out and good luck figuring the best plan for you.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I find it scary that healthcare pc system is connected with the IRS and SS system. I bet in the end it will cost the IRS more to collect fines than what the fines are.

I don't see how they can fine if the system doesn't work. Obama's speech yesterday was a joke. Find it funny he says if online doesn't work, you can call. If you call, they'll just mail you a crap load of forms that they say takes a lawyer to figure out and good luck figuring the best plan for you.

Makes no sense but far as can tell, as of right now the only real enforcement ability they have to collect fines is IRS witholding your tax return if you get one.That could and will likely change, thinking it was purposely left out so it did not seem to punitive, would have driven away what little support the law actually had when it was passed and now.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Obama's speech yesterday was a joke. Find it funny he says if online doesn't work, you can call. If you call, they'll just mail you a crap load of forms that they say takes a lawyer to figure out and good luck figuring the best plan for you.

You have a much stronger fortitude then I. Personally I can't even stomach listening to him anymore - at all. You know when he's lying, his lips will be moving.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I find it scary that healthcare pc system is connected with the IRS and SS system. I bet in the end it will cost the IRS more to collect fines than what the fines are.

Hence the direct withdrawal. Most banks will honor a overdraft. They then go after the account holder for repayment and collect a fee. The Fed get's theirs. The onus of getting paid back is left at the bank level. Sweet deal.

[Bubblehead1980]

I would love to know where they found the mindless drones who were standing behind in at that speech yesterday.Especially the chubby guy with the beard lol Wonder if DHS was off camera holding them at gunpoint?

[eddie]

Just like when they forced people to pose with Gutless Dick Cheney Bubbles!

[Ducimus]

[nikimcbee]

So, did anybody sign up yet?

Thank god the "silicon valley experts" will save the bamster.



Three cheers for the leader.

No, not you!


Ours!

[Ducimus]

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Obamacare facts explained by Stefan Molyneux. A comprehensive look at the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and it's implementation.

[Platapus]

It is not looking good for Booz-Allen Hamilton

[nikimcbee]

We have our healthplan review at work now. A couple co-workers were really arguing over this.
One person said loudly" ...and all of this is because of obamacare!"

All of our costs are going up 6% our employee raise this year was 2%.

three cheers for obamunism.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

All of our costs are going up 6% our employee raise this year was 2%

And how much do you think your healthcare costs would have gone up without the ACA? 10%?

It is not like the healthcare programs were working all swell and then all of a sudden the ACA came about and suddenly there were problems.

My contribution to health care also went up... but it went up a lot less than it has in the past 8 years I have been at this company.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Platapus

And how much do you think your healthcare costs would have gone up without the ACA? 10%?

It is not like the healthcare programs were working all swell and then all of a sudden the ACA came about and suddenly there were problems.

My contribution to health care also went up... but it went up a lot less than it has in the past 8 years I have been at this company.

This.

The ACA, as it stands, does not address nor fix enough problems that the healthcare industry had and still has today. It's still much, much more than what republicans had proposed we do, and its still a step in the right direction. Remember, the ACA is not what democrats wanted. But even in a democratic majority, the democrats compromised and subsequently we were left with a bill that didn't really fix much. It DOES, however, allow people with preexisting conditions to obtain coverage, which is a huge victory for many AMERICAN CITIZENS who were essentially left to die for the profit of the already super-wealthy insurance companies. It DOES, though poorly, address the issue of the people who choose not to have health insurance and, through natural occurances in life, need healthcare, cant afford it, and dump the bill onto the taxpayers. The fee for those who CHOOSE to opt out is like an insurance premium guarantee that if that person needs healthcare that they don't dump the whole thing on taxpayers.

What we NEED, is a better bill. Republicans have been crying bloody murder, trying so DESPERATELY to repeal the bill, yet have proposed NOTHING beneficial for the obviously deplorable healthcare system. This issue is not new, this issue has not been brought about by obamacare, it wasnt fine before, it isnt fine now. It is one of the most defining and serious issues with this country today. The effects of an awful, capitalistic, business-like healthcare system are far reaching and devastating. More people are on some kind of prescription medication than ever before. The american people are some of the most unhealthy in the world. Preventative care, such as regular doctor visits and checkups, are not easily accessable to the average american even WITH insurance because insurance companies have the audacity to charge people 800 dollars a month for insurance and decide that regular old doctor visits, which are like 150 bucks alone, shouldn't be covered. Yet like the old saying predicts, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure", yet the only thing insurance companies seem willing to pay for are hospitalizations, while at the same time have monopolized the healthcare industry and made it so unaffordable that the only realistic option is to pay for their deplorable services. The health and well being of the american people should be at the forefront of our legislation, yet the most progressive healthcare bill in decades is being relentlessly attacked, while no acceptable alternatives are being offered.

This is why this country falls on the ropes so often. Because party politics and tribalism is more important to the talking heads than progress. Compromise, contrary to what these useless bureaucrats seem to believe, is not always the answer. But obstructionism sure as hell isnt a solution in any way either. Both sides are always at each other's throats, always out to try and steal, manipulate, and supress votes rather than earn them. They never seem to be willing to stop their useless circular bantering, blatant lies, and embellishing of the truth, and actually do something beneficial for this country. Washington believed that parties would be our undoing and every day i live his predictions seem more and more real. When people are told they must choose a team, rather than decide on individual issues for themselves, they become sucked into a mob-mentality of always voting for your team regardless of how they would feel as a free-thinking, unbiased individual. And its one of the worst things about human nature, is the desire to run with the pack rather than, in this day and age, be an individual.

[Platapus]

If the GOP were truly interested in helping citizens, they would be working towards fixing the ACA. But that's not what the GOP wants. The GOP wants to kill the ACA to remove any possible legacy that might help the Democrats.

It is not about the citizens, its about what is best for the party. And that is the attitude that has driven me away from the GOP.

Party before country.

Not that the Democrats are innocent in this. The ACA will serve as an excellent example of why, when you have a majority in both houses you really can't just push through legislation without getting buy-in from the minority party. The majority party will not remain the majority nor will the minority party remain the minority party. That's just the way politics works.

[Wolferz]

The entire health insurance system is a scam any how. So what's the diff?

I already have medicare parts A and D that I get charged for from my disability stipend every month. Probably cheaper than a commercial health insurance but, like commercial health insurance, it doesn't cover enough of what doctors and hospitals over charge for these days.

It might have been more viable if they had overhauled the malpractice insurance carriers. Forcing everyone to sign up for a health plan is great for the insurance companies and that's all. The doctors might have started charging a decent fee if their malpractice rates weren't so bloody high which leaves all of their patients paying, indirectly, for their screw-ups.