New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by caspofungin

First, there's plenty of passages in the Old and New Testament in which a wratchful God smites "unbelievers" and encourages his followers to do so. Why don't you quote those lines?

Ola caspofungin!
No texts in the New Testament "in which a wrathful God smites "unbelievers" and encourages his followers to do so" as you say.
Sources please!
The New Testament basically says that Christians are sinners as much as anybody, that God will judge afterwards, that here and now we should love our neighbours, be good citizens and obey the government, unless it really suppresses Christian fait and values, like in a Third Reich situation...

[Iceman]

Yep..Not in the New Testament.

Period.

Have you been watching the Ten Commandments movie again?...thats "Old" Testament...You should read up on why there is an Old and New Testament perhaps.

[caspofungin]

you're right, i'm wrong. i haven't read those texts ina long time (14 yrs, to be precise) and i don't quote them on a daily basis. perhaps i'm not as well read up as i should be.

Have you been watching the Ten Commandments movie again?...thats "Old" Testament...You should read up on why there is an Old and New Testament perhaps.

then again, at least i'm willing to a. admit when i'm wrong; and b. educate myself to prevent another mistake. can you say the same? or is sarcasm the limit? i'm not the one getting my idea of what islam is from watching tv.

[Iceman]

You are wrong...I have read it...have you?

My sarcasim is meant to goad you into seeking for yourself.Which is why I ask about the Koran and Jewish Faiths...Hey where are the Buddahists in all this anyways?

The Bible is preached to be a guide and as is taught in the Old Testament in Ecclesiastes...


[12] And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


Do we Really need a book to tell us that cutting off heads is wrong?....Come-On!

[caspofungin]

no, the thing all faiths have in common is respect for and love of your fellow man. too bad not everyone lives by those rules, right? and i'll try to make time to check up on the NT.

[Kissaki]

Originally Posted by Abraham

Ola caspofungin!
No texts in the New Testament "in which a wrathful God smites "unbelievers" and encourages his followers to do so" as you say.
Sources please!
The New Testament basically says that Christians are sinners as much as anybody, that God will judge afterwards, that here and now we should love our neighbours, be good citizens and obey the government, unless it really suppresses Christian fait and values, like in a Third Reich situation...

Doesn't Paul suggest that all governments are sanctioned by God, by virtue of being governments? I've misplaced my Bible, been looking for it for weeks now, and can't readily quote from it. So please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Hey where are the Buddahists in all this anyways?

If you happen to understand written German, I could immediately help out.

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/Worum%20es%20geht.doc

This text was written by me many years ago, although I did not want to write it, but many students in my meditation courses started to ask for something that they could hold in their hands and carry home, and asked time and again until I thought that I really should put their minds at peace again . I revisoned it two times in later years, three years ago for the last time. the text was meant for especially this kind of audience, that explains it's - still tame! - polemic tone in the last passages - it was intentional.

[Kissaki]

Originally Posted by Iceman

There are no Exceptions...Thou Shall Not Kill has been a pretty big theme of the Christian God for a long time.

<snip>

Christians...No kill.

Actually, Avon Lady does justice to this commandment when she quotes it as "thou shalt not murder". As I understand it, this is a more accurate translation of the Hebrew verb (well, she'd know, anyway ), and it does not include killing in the name of God (ie., in war and such). So it's really only in recent times that Christians have started interpreting that commandment as "no kill". But in light of the NT, that's the meaning it indeed has, because Jesus preaches "love thine enemy" and "turn the other cheek". Of course, this is precicely what Christians find the hardest edicts to follow, which is understandable.

Still, you have Christians who are still fond of (and who indeer quote) "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". Something Jesus specifically rejects in his Sermon on the Mound. The "do not revenge" bit, which is in the same vein, is also conveniently forgotten.

So where am I getting at? People will be people, for better or worse. This is not something religion can change. People want to get even, they want to hate. Only truly insightful individuals can rise above such things.

[Kissaki]

Originally Posted by Iceman

My sarcasim is meant to goad you into seeking for yourself.Which is why I ask about the Koran and Jewish Faiths...Hey where are the Buddahists in all this anyways?

I'm Buddhist. Non-denominational, but leaning mostly toward Zen.

Some of you may recall me declaring myself as atheist before, which is also true. I'm atheist because I don't believe in the existence of gods. I'm Buddhist because I agree with their ideas and principles (for the most part). I'm skeptical in regards to reincarnation, but contrary to popular belief this is not an essential point. Buddhism, like any other philosophy (or religion), is ultimately about happiness.

[August]

Originally Posted by Kissaki

So where am I getting at? People will be people, for better or worse. This is not something religion can change. People want to get even, they want to hate. Only truly insightful individuals can rise above such things.

I'd say it's the duty of these insightful individuals to work to prevent barbarism in their own society.

Islamic terrorism exists only because Islam allows it to exist. Why this is so is debatable but Islam is the only force that can stop it.

[Kissaki]

Originally Posted by August

I'd say it's the duty of these insightful individuals to work to prevent barbarism in their own society.

Believe me, they do, all the time. It's just that there are so few of them, and those charismatic enough to actually sway a large portion of the people (the Dalai Lama, Mohatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King etc.) are one in a million.

Islamic terrorism exists only because Islam allows it to exist. Why this is so is debatable but Islam is the only force that can stop it.

I'm not so sure. The majority of stories of neo-Nazies, Klansmen etc. converting from hate to love speak of close, positive contact with the groups they hate. By positive contact I mean eg. a Jew showing patience and compassion towards a neo-Nazi, because hating him back isn't going to prevent anything. It's ingrained in human nature to react positively to compassion, and negatively to hatred. Of course, being compassionate is not without its risk - it involves caring for your fellow man to such an extent that you're willing to sacrifice a great deal. Both Gandhi and King knew they would eventually fall victim to assassins, but they were undeterred. Gandhi even said that when that day came, he hoped to be able to face his assassin with a smile.

[Sixpack]

Economic aid, humanitarian aid or whatever is ofcourse oh so sweet, but won't cut it for the radical muslim faith.

Unless we in the West will appreciate Islam as the world's only valid religion (Allah as God and Mohammed as God's true prophet) and help obliterate Israel as we know it, there will be no peace.

Their Jihad must go on. They're brainwashed to never allow peace until their perceived divine work is done. To me it's plain unholy, that goes without saying.

And Allah's heaven is never too cramped to allow millions more cowardous islamic martyrs in.

Maybe we should oblige by our own initiative

[August]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

Economic aid, humanitarian aid or whatever is ofcourse oh so sweet, but won't cut it for the radical muslim faith.

Unless we in the West will appreciate Islam as the world's only valid religion (Allah as God and Mohammed as God's true prophet) and help obliterate Israel as we know it, there will be no peace.

Their Jihad must go on. They're brainwashed to never allow peace until their perceived divine work is done. To me it's plain unholy, that goes without saying.

And Allah's heaven is never too cramped to allow millions more cowardous islamic martyrs in.

Maybe we should oblige by our own initiative

I firmly believe that if everyone in the west were to convert to Islam and wipe Israel off the map tomorrow, the Jihadists would just find another reason to fly airliners into our buildings and set off bombs in public places.

This isn't about advancing religion, it's about building a power base.

[Type941]

Hey guys, what every happend to Libia?

remember Kaddafi was all up in arms, nuclear stuff, etc. Than all of a sudden, it's mr. nice guy, we were bad, now good, we love EU, let's be friends. So from national terorist the guy just got invitations to burssels... what was done right with him, that can't be done right with Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc..

[Sixpack]

Originally Posted by August

I firmly believe that if everyone in the west were to convert to Islam and wipe Israel off the map tomorrow, the Jihadists would just find another reason to fly airliners into our buildings and set off bombs in public places.

This isn't about advancing religion, it's about building a power base.

True ! I implied in their wet terrorist dreams they'd be in total control with their own perverse set of rules