Tree huggers and Athiests score another biggie

[Fincuan]

Hehe you guys are hilarious For a long time I've had a hard time deciding on whether you're doing some kind of comedy show here or that you really are serious.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

Hehe you guys are hilarious For a long time I've had a hard time deciding on whether you're doing some kind of comedy show here or that you really are serious.

You are from Finland, so it is no wonder you would not know. :p

-S

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You are from Finland, so it is no wonder you would not know. :p

-S

This guy is from your country, he knows.


http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

[Stealth Hunter]

Indeed. The Europeans have had hundreds of years of history in politics, war, and peace. If they offer advice, take it. They know what they're doing.

[Skybird]

Steve once said it best: I have no problem with somebody if he does not raise a problem to me.

Keep thy religion to thyself and do not try to impose it on state and society. Where you parade with your beliefs in self-righteousness, you deserve my laughs and mockery. Where you try to influence state and society, you get my bitter resistance and hostility. Where you understand that your religion is yours alone and nobody else's issue or obligation, and you keep it for yourself - you will have no problem with me, since I do not care for your private business.

I don't demand you to reduce your freedoms in favour of mine - so do not expect me to fall back so that you can have greater freedoms for yourself - at the cost of mine.

If that makes my atheism "militant", then I accept that title with pride and honour. For I prefer freedom to religion and will not accept loss of freedom in the name of religion. And if needed, I fight for this freedom.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Steve once said it best: I have no problem with somebody if he does not raise a problem to me.

Keep thy religion to thyself and do not try to impose it on state and society...

Then why is it that you not only impose your views on the rest of us, but you constantly raise the religion flag in this forum when no one has done anything to you?

Hypocrisy.

-S

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Then why is it that you not only impose your views on the rest of us, but you constantly raise the religion flag in this forum when no one has done anything to you?

Hypocrisy.

Skybird doesn't keep his religion to him self?
Can you even tell us what SB's religious/spiritual views or beliefs are?

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Steve once said it best: I have no problem with somebody if he does not raise a problem to me.

Keep thy religion to thyself and do not try to impose it on state and society. Where you parade with your beliefs in self-righteousness, you deserve my laughs and mockery. Where you try to influence state and society, you get my bitter resistance and hostility. Where you understand that your religion is yours alone and nobody else's issue or obligation, and you keep it for yourself - you will have no problem with me, since I do not care for your private business.

I don't demand you to reduce your freedoms in favour of mine - so do not expect me to fall back so that you can have greater freedoms for yourself - at the cost of mine.

If that makes my atheism "militant", then I accept that title with pride and honour. For I prefer freedom to religion and will not accept loss of freedom in the name of religion. And if needed, I fight for this freedom.

That's special...! Problem is-that it is a big part of our culture and heritage. To me it is good problem. I like seeing the ten commandments on courthouse walls. I like the motto "In God we trust". I like our sworn officials to place their hand over the bible. I like our pledge of allegiance... "One nation under God..." Here in America we like freedom too and religion here has helped that cause and has not hindered it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Frame57

["In God we trust". I like our sworn officials to place their hand over the bible. I like our pledge of allegiance... "One nation under God..." Here in America we like freedom too and religion here has helped that cause and has not hindered it.

Unlike the UK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/7681914.stm

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Frame57

I like seeing the ten commandments on courthouse walls. I like the motto "In God we trust". I like our sworn officials to place their hand over the bible. I like our pledge of allegiance... "One nation under God..." Here in America we like freedom too and religion here has helped that cause and has not hindered it.

I thought we had that discussion already.

1) The Ten Commandments start by demanding we worship the Hebrew God and Him only. Very detrimental to Freedom of Religion. They are mostly devoted to moral values, not law.

2) "In God We Trust". Same thing. It hasn't been on our money forever - only recently.

3) Francis Bellamy's 1892 original: "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." "Under God" wasn't added until 1954.

My personal opinion on The Pledge is that a free country doesn't require or need loyalty oaths.

I also completely disagree that religion has helped the cause of freedom. When Jefferson wrote the Virginia Act for establishing Religious Freedom he was fighting against the Christian leaders of his day, who had laws on the books saying you could be jailed for denying the Trinity, and executed for "Blasphemy". That was the religious influence on freedom in those days, and from what some of today's leaders say, they wouldn't mind if we went back to laws like that.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Indeed. The Europeans have had hundreds of years of history in politics, war, and peace. If they offer advice, take it. They know what they're doing.

I'll say no to that one.

[Stealth Hunter]

OK then. Ignore the advice of the more experienced.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

OK then. Ignore the advice of the more experienced.

Roger that. My family loved europe so much, they left there in the 1700s.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

Hehe you guys are hilarious For a long time I've had a hard time deciding on whether you're doing some kind of comedy show here or that you really are serious.

SUBMAN1 is actual a satirical second account of mine at subsim that I use to post
this kind of thing. I like to use the SUBMAN1 character to blur the lines between
comedy and what someone like him would really say so that the audience never
quite know if I'm being serious or just post-ironic.

He doesn't really exist. It's just me posting for laughs.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

SUBMAN1 is actual a satirical second account of mine at subsim that I use to post
this kind of thing. I like to use the SUBMAN1 character to blur the lines between
comedy and what someone like him would really say so that the audience never
quite know if I'm being serious or just post-ironic.

He doesn't really exist. It's just me posting for laughs.

You can wake up now! Exit Letum dreamland already!

I must admit, you made me laugh!

-S