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Old 11-09-08, 12:33 PM   #1
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You take yourself far too important with all that "we do not something just we're being told to do it", and the carussell of "discussing solutions" I see going round and round since yaears and decades now. Both is your arguemnt to deny any chnage in yourself.

But you see, when 1.3 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians now are on their way to claim the right to live in the same materialistic excesses like less than one billion westerners (480 million EU-citizens and 330 million US Americans), then that means that the level of pollution and planetary exploitation would increase by a factor of three, although those less than 1 billion europeans already were enough to push the planet over the peak and getting us ending up where we currently are. And when less than 5% of the globe's population consumes 40-55% of the global ressources for the american way of life and industry, and creates as much pollution than 3-4 times as many chinese, and both together produce two thirds of the globe's emissions or more, than there is a problem and it means that you have to change indeed. And wether you like that or not, simply is not important, becasue sooner or later you either give in to the growing ecological pressure, or you break.

Obama has studied especially germany very closely, which in many fields of eco-tech is world market leader, and especially he was interested in the jobs that were created by going ecological. This is a great chance for the US, although at germany's massive cost, and I have little doubt that he will try to set the US economy on fresh rails by focussing on creating jobs in the long run in the ecological field. And we talk of several
hundred thousand if not millions of jobs. with the potantial capacity of the US, the US could become world leader in climate protection and producing acording ecological high tech - and creating jobs and have a profutable business of it at the same time. Again, this would be at germany's costs, but since the planetary and clmatic benefit ranks higher in importance, I am willing to accept that as an unavoidable consequence. However, all that hightech does not relieve us from the fact that man and especially americans consumes way too much of eqarth'S ressources, depleting the planet becasue we take more than it can afford, and can replace. Our way of living, our consuming behavior, has to chnage. It is imperative, and espeically formamericans: for nobody else consumes as huge ammounts per heads and wastes ressources as carelessly as the US society.

Our excessive consuming in the West we need to reduce, and reduce drastically. It needs to be reduced to a level where we could say that if all people on the planet would live by our own living standard, the biosphere and the planet still could afford that, and could repklace what we take from it, without reducing it's basis. And china and India and Brazil need to understand that they cannot industrilaise at the cost of making the same mistakes like we did, and moving on on the same 100+ years old ways like our industrialisation did. 'they must put their effort on modern technology from the beginning on, instead of going through 100 years of fossile engines before reaching there. If they don't understand that, our problems will multiply within one generation.
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