More religious violence: India

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Hitler was not an Atheist....

Yes he was. He did use Christianity and relics to try and turn the believers towards his cause though.

Man, even the Atheist Discovery channel mentioned this! I thought all your atheists were on the same page? Of course, even your biggest members of the movement have written a book that claims there is still a 1 in 6 chance god exists. Seems one way (the Christian way, you get a 100% chance you are dead wrong if you don't believe, and the other, you get 17% chance of being wrong still. Seems that the odds are in the favor of god even from your own kind!

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yes he was. He did use Christianity and relics to try and turn the believers towards his cause though.

Man, even the Atheist Discovery channel mentioned this! I thought all your atheists were on the same page? Of course, even your biggest members of the movement have written a book that claims there is still a 1 in 6 chance god exists. Seems one way (the Christian way, you get a 100% chance you are dead wrong if you don't believe, and the other, you get 17% chance of being wrong still. Seems that the odds are in the favor of god even from your own kind!

-S

I suppose you have a source for this claim? Give me a link to a historical society page that states that "HITLER WAS AN ATHEIST" with facts and proof that this is true. Only one thing: the society cannot be sponsored by a religious institute (ANY institute).

Out of curiosity, what was the name of the program, when was it aired, and why was the Discovery Channel showing a program about Hitler's religion?:hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I suppose you have a source for this claim? Give me a link to a historical society page that states that "HITLER WAS AN ATHEIST" with facts and proof that this is true. Only one thing: the society cannot be sponsored by a religious institute (ANY institute).

Out of curiosity, what was the name of the program, when was it aired, and why was the Discovery Channel showing a program about Hitler's religion?:hmm:

I'm sorry - it is very difficult to find any documentation that Hitler was religious, so maybe you can? Might be a hard task for you however. Try it though. There was also a good program that addressed this to a degree on Discovery (not the one I mention above) that talked how he wasn't to some degree when talking about his personal life - It was based on who had his remains which the show determined the KGB had them but it was left open at the end.

The program I mentioned above that I saw was about the relics and propaganda Hitler was collecting to show the Christians that Germany was destined to rule the world, and how the Allies used the same tactic though to a much lesser degree. A lot of it was around the subs being used to ferry the relics back to Germany. Its been a few years however so I cannot name it. I wish i could though. That was one worth watching.

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I'm sorry - it is very difficult to find any documentation that Hitler was religious, so maybe you can? Might be a hard task for you however. Try it though. There was also a good program that addressed this to a degree on Discovery (not the one I mention above) that talked how he wasn't to some degree when talking about his personal life - It was based on who had his remains which the show determined the KGB had them but it was left open at the end.

The program I mentioned above that I saw was about the relics and propaganda Hitler was collecting to show the Christians that Germany was destined to rule the world, and how the Allies used the same tactic though to a much lesser degree. A lot of it was around the subs being used to ferry the relics back to Germany. Its been a few years however so I cannot name it. I wish i could though. That was one worth watching.

-S

Oh, don't ask me to find the program. You're the one who made the claim. It's a logical fallacy to pull that "You do it for me" junk.

I watched the program on Hitler's remains, and it said nothing about him being Christian. That was the same one that showed a fragment of his skull and told about the KGB burying his remains in a small box somewhere in Siberia.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Oh, don't ask me to find the program. You're the one who made the claim. It's a logical fallacy to pull that "You do it for me" junk.

I watched the program on Hitler's remains, and it said nothing about him being Christian. That was the same one that showed a fragment of his skull and told about the KGB burying his remains in a small box somewhere in Siberia.

Point proven - He was not, nor at his death, religious.

Last, someone else claimed here first that he was not an Atheist, yet you pin it on me? So for our conversation, you are the one making the claim. And for all people who have never said they were one way or the other, Atheists must make the burden of proof since I have never seen Hitler in a church unless he just destroyed it! :p

You are the one that made the claim that he was religious too. By the way, what Christian could kill millions of Jews? Explain that one Einstein! Are we seriously having this conversation? I feel like the only one with a brain here and rightfully so.

-S

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Point proven - He was not, nor at his death, religious.

Last, someone else claimed here first that he was not an Atheist, yet you pin it on me? So for our conversation, you are the one making the claim. And for all people who have never said they were one way or the other, Atheists must make the burden of proof since I have never seen Hitler in a church unless he just destroyed it! :p

You are the one that made the claim that he was religious too. By the way, what Christian could kill millions of Jews? Explain that one Einstein! Are we seriously having this conversation? I feel like the only one with a brain here and rightfully so.

-S

here you go subman. I'm ever willing to help the only brain on sumsim to expand its knowledge

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by joegrundman

here you go subman. I'm ever willing to help the only brain on sumsim to expand its knowledge

There ya go man. The one and only time Hitler tried to sway these people to his side.

So you are honestly sitting there and telling me that Hitler murdering 10 Million Jews went to church every week and practiced a faith? Get real! This is part of his relic crusade, which he used to get Christians on his side!

Are you serious? You actually believe this? Some people are more stupid than they look.

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Point proven - He was not, nor at his death, religious.

Last, someone else claimed here first that he was not an Atheist, yet you pin it on me? So for our conversation, you are the one making the claim. And for all people who have never said they were one way or the other, Atheists must make the burden of proof since I have never seen Hitler in a church unless he just destroyed it! :p

You are the one that made the claim that he was religious too. By the way, what Christian could kill millions of Jews? Explain that one Einstein! Are we seriously having this conversation? I feel like the only one with a brain here and rightfully so.

-S

How does that prove your point? It doesn't, because it wasn't an autobiography about Hitler. It was about his remains and what happened to them.

And no, he was religious. Look at the pictures. Look at the speeches where he mentions god. The man was baptised, FFS.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

How does that prove your point? It doesn't, because it wasn't an autobiography about Hitler. It was about his remains and what happened to them.

And no, he was religious. Look at the pictures. Look at the speeches where he mentions god. The man was baptised, FFS.

That's the biggest friggen joke I have ever heard! Even in the off chance that he was baptized, it was part of his relic collection scheme! Crap, I can be baptised and everyone will think I'm a saint! Then I can murder 10 million people, and still pretend that i belong to the church? Is this what you are telling me? Get real! You're getting pathetic beyond normal at this point!

A) Hitler admitted to be Roman-Catholic.
B) Hitler mentioned god in several speeches.
C) We have photographs of Hitler with religious officials of the Papacy.
D) There is NO EVIDENCE besides your claims that he was Atheist.

Use your brain. You've got one, don't you?

You prove again that you don't have one based on the above evidence. By the way, today I am Muslim! You must believe it for the future......!!!! Hahahahaha!

And for your amusement, here is the map prior to the first crusade. Notice where the Muslims where causing problems. What I don't get is how the Muslims have convinced us that the Catholic church started all this? Hello! Notice the slight problem with Spain, and the Holy Lands! If it didn't start here, the Muslims would have over-run Europe much like Persia did during the Greek/Spartan times!

[Safe-Keeper]

Religion. Let's leave it to that.

While I have fantastic friends who are religious and acknowledge that religion is a perfectly good tool for dealing with stressors, grief, etc... I also acknowledge that it is just as good a weapon when it comes to driving human beings to terrorism, war and genocide. Jesus Camp is a terrifying view of how organized religion can, quite litterally, destroy little childrens' worldviews. The damage done by the camp members and parents will be very hard for the kids to overcome.

I fully agree with Skybird's statement that to the degree this is possible, children should be kept away from religion, just as they are shielded from politics. I realize that this will be hard if you attend church every Sunday and pray several times a day, but... do your best. For the same reason you wouldn't convince your kids from early age that your political views are the only correct ones.

Your religion by the way leads to greater violence - wars.

'Atheist' is an incredibly wide collective term for people who lack a religion, much like 'skeptic' is a collective term for people who disbelieve in homeopathy, Bigfoot, aliens, ghosts, etc. It's ludicrous to try to lump all atheists together as atheism isn't an organized religion more than skepticism is. An organized religion has tenets, leaders, etc. Sure, atheists can be united like any other group, but atheism in itself isn't a religion more than baldness is a hair colour.

I also love people who try to pull political and scientific views they don't like down to the level of religion. I hate to disappoint you, but environmentalism, "land grab" (whatever that is - I assume you mean socialism) and the Theory of Evolution... are not religions unless you redefine the word.

Atheists usually degrade into religions of self satisfaction.

I assume you don't want to be loved by God, then, or enter Heaven?

Oh, and stow the "atheists usually" drivel. Your bigotry against atheists is quite clear. You may as well say that Afro-Americans this, or that left-handed people that. It'd be about as strongly generalizing, and make as little sense.

A much more dangerous religion than any in the world.

I'll take Christianity any day! Much much safer.

WW2. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini all atheists...

Skeptics are even worse. Mao, the Red Khmer, the British empire, the Conquistadors. Neither of them believed in dragons and elves.

I'll take superstition any day. Much safer!

(Just in case you didn't get my point - it's not enough to say that x possessed trait y, which I dislike, hence trait y was what made him do what he did. You have to give actual evidence that it was their alleged lack of an an organized religion that caused the atrocities they commited. So far, everyone challenged to present such evidence has failed utterly).

The Inquisition, the massacre of the Aztecs, the brutality of the British empire, World War II... all caused by white people. Hence, white people are the most dangerous in the world and should be kept out of government, the boy scouts, schools, etc.
Same ****ing logic.

Or... oh! How about this? The Holocaust was carried out by Germans, hence, we should, for the sake of our nation's morals, disallow Germans and their descendants from holding public office or joining the boy scouts. The moment we allow Germany into our schools, the nation will go down the drain!

Man, even the Atheist Discovery channel mentioned this!

There's an Atheist Discovery Channel? Is it related to the Hindu Sesame Street on FOX or the Buddhist Weather Report on CNN? Or do you mean 'secular', which is another broad term which means 'not concerning itself with religion' and applies to everything that doesn't put a religious sticker on it, from Kmart to the Astros to Nokia to Where's Wally?

PS: On the OP, Christians, too, have done horrific things in India. Look up 'Christian terrorism' on the Wiki and you'll be taken to more info.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

While I have fantastic friends who are religious and acknowledge that religion is a perfectly good tool for dealing with stressors, grief, etc... I also acknowledge that it is just as good a weapon when it comes to driving human beings to terrorism, war and genocide. Jesus Camp is a terrifying view of how organized religion can, quite litterally, destroy little childrens' worldviews. The damage done by the camp members and parents will be very hard for the kids to overcome.

'Atheist' is an incredibly wide collective term for people who lack a religion, much like 'skeptic' is a collective term for people who disbelieve in homeopathy, Bigfoot, aliens, ghosts, etc. It's ludicrous to try to lump all atheists together as atheism isn't an organized religion more than skepticism is. An organized religion has tenets, leaders, etc. Sure, atheists can be united like any other group, but atheism in itself isn't a religion more than baldness is a hair colour.

I also love people who try to pull political and scientific views they don't like down to the level of religion. I hate to disappoint you, but environmentalism, "land grab" (whatever that is - I assume you mean socialism) and the Theory of Evolution... are not religions unless you redefine the word.

I assume you don't want to be loved by God, then, or enter Heaven?

Oh, and stow the "atheists usually" drivel. Your bigotry against atheists is quite clear. You may as well say that Afro-Americans this, or that left-handed people that. It'd be about as strongly generalizing, and make as little sense.

Skeptics are even worse. Mao, the Red Khmer, the British empire, the Conquistadors. Neither of them believed in dragons and elves.

I'll take superstition any day. Much safer!

(Just in case you didn't get my point - it's not enough to say that x possessed trait y, which I dislike, hence trait y was what made him do what he did. You have to give actual evidence that it was their alleged lack of an an organized religion that caused the atrocities they commited. So far, everyone challenged to present such evidence has failed utterly).

The Inquisition, the massacre of the Aztecs, the brutality of the British empire, World War II... all caused by white people. Hence, white people are the most dangerous in the world and should be kept out of government, the boy scouts, schools, etc.
Same ****ing logic.

Or... oh! How about this? The Holocaust was carried out by Germans, hence, we should, for the sake of our nation's morals, disallow Germans and their descendants from holding public office or joining the boy scouts. The moment we allow Germany into our schools, the nation will go down the drain!

There's an Atheist Discovery Channel? Is it related to the Hindu Sesame Street on FOX or the Buddhist Weather Report on CNN? Or do you mean 'secular', which is another broad term which means 'not concerning itself with religion' and applies to everything that doesn't put a religious sticker on it, from Kmart to the Astros to Nokia to Where's Wally?

PS: On the OP, Christians, too, have done horrific things in India. Look up 'Christian terrorism' on the Wiki and you'll be taken to more info.

Yawn.

An opinion piece. How about throwing some fact next time?

-S

[Safe-Keeper]

Point proven - He was not, nor at his death, religious.

You believe that the KGB stole Hitler's body and buried it in Siberia:rotfl:?!

Yawn.

An opinion piece. What about throwing out some facts next time?

Your capitulation and lack of counter-arguments is duly noted. Thank you. Kindly leave your weapons behind and abandon your fortifications. We will begin our de-Submanification program in your country shortly.

Your surrender has saved our forces tedious fighting against tedious and ultimately futile counter-arguments, for which we are incredibly grateful. Have a good day.