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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I know three people who used to be in Army special forces and they are just as horrified of the Democrat Party as I am.

I knew a SF medic 18D blacker than shoe polish, who won't be hanging out with McLame anytime soon. I got a bad conduct discharge actually. Seems I don't take to kindly to authority. Can you imagine?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Flamingboat

I knew a SF medic 18D blacker than shoe polish, who won't be hanging out with McLame anytime soon.

OK. But you do know that demographically, the military has usually gone Republican. We all understand what happens to the military when Democrats have power. Those of us who served in the Clinton military remember. Things like the Democrats threatening to stop funding our soldiers who are in harms way doesn't help Democrats. Nor does it help your argument. I know these people largely go Republican by experience. It's why the Democrats were trying to throw out military ballots in Florida in 2000. They knew that as well.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

OK. But you do know that demographically, the military has usually gone Republican. We all understand what happens to the military when Democrats have power. Those of us who served in the Clinton military remember. Things like the Democrats threatening to stop funding our soldiers who are in harms way doesn't help Democrats. Nor does it help your argument. I know these people largely go Republican by experience. It's why the Democrats were trying to throw out military ballots in Florida in 2000. They knew that as well.

It's heavily republican, no doubt, but don't act surprised that there are liberals in the mix. Don't talk aout of your butt, I was in the army under clinton. I assure you, I had plenty of ammo, guns and body armor. Luckily for me Clinton lied about a blowjob, and NOT about Weapons of Mass Distruction.

When Clinton lied, no one died.

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by Flamingboat

I knew a SF medic 18D blacker than shoe polish, who won't be hanging out with McLame anytime soon. I got a bad conduct discharge actually. Seems I don't take to kindly to authority. Can you imagine?

Sorry to hear of your BCD, what was your MOS?

Originally Posted by Frame57

Sorry to hear of your BCD, what was your MOS?

I like my BCD, in liberal land it's a badge of honor. It kept me out of Iraq, I would have been recalled. I like having all my fingers, legs and sanity. I was 11M, mechanized infantry.

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by Flamingboat

I like my BCD, in liberal land it's a badge of honor. It kept me out of Iraq, I would have been recalled. I like having all my fingers, legs and sanity. I was 11M, mechanized infantry.

Interesting. Then why did you join to begin with, If I may ask?

Originally Posted by Frame57

Interesting. Then why did you join to begin with, If I may ask?

I was the all American kid, that is what we do! I was a boyscout, dad was a cop, I was in civil air patrol. I was going to go fight the "bad guys" so we would be free to worship J E S U S. haha. Trust me, if someone told me I would be a maga liberal at 17 when I joined up I would have never believed it. I joined on my 17th birthday. Republicans were gods people on earth to me back then. Oh you would have been hard pressed to find a more gung ho candidate.

Well, I joined. Went ok for awhile and I learned it was all a big bunch of BS. Soldiers were fat, did drugs, stayed drunk. This wasn't even during war time. I was wanting to be Captian America himself, but I was living and working with the poor dregs of society that could not get hired at McDonalds. I did details out at School of the America's, back when it was called that. The official story was that it was to fight the drug war. Ok, "hoo ahh" I thought. I was mainly helping with training weapons, recon, opfor etc. I learned later to my shock that we were training death squads to go back to South America to kill people not friendly to the US. Professionals, intellectuals, artist, labor organizers. You know the story. The US denies this of course. They trained Norieaga and he was a CIA agent but Panama got invaded when he stopped taking orders from Washington. Well, I know one thing. The official story is ALWAYS BS. From the Gulf of Tonkin, to Iraq. It's all lies. The agenda is laid out far in advance of the catalyst. This time the trade towers. I had a demo permit, I don't believe the 9-11 official story. Fire can't make building fall like that, only demo can. It's science. That could have been the terrorists, sure, but there is no way jet fuel alone did that. You have to have a half pound of C4 just to blow up some lousy concertina wire. Yeah I'm a 9-11 truther, I await the slamming from all the armchair commandoes.

You learn a lot, you make friends with cooks and green berets, SEALs and mechanics. You piece the puzzle together over time. The war on drugs was called the "war on the competition". America deal in the drug trade? Oh not my America! I was naive as it gets. I got a real rude awakening. So to make a long story short, I am living the good life in liberal land, and I go toe to toe with people who think our wars and military post WW2 have been doing anything righteous.

Oh yeah the BCD, I got bored, low morale, started screwing off and not caring, got into trouble. Nothing major, got booted. They said my "life was over" with a BCD, I laughed in their face. No one on the outside gives a crap. Well I can't be a cop, but big deal.

It was NOT the experience I would have ever dreamed. It was however a really good experience because it opened my eyes bigtime.

[Frame57]

Interesting story. Back in the late 70's I was a 12B10 which is a combat engineer. We used bangalore torpedoes on concertina fences. Det cord was another favorite toy of mine. We would topple trees with the stuff. I later cross branched to active duty Navy because I became a bit bored and wanted to climb the ranks at a faster pace. I was a demolition expert and I disagree with you with regards to what Jet fuel can do. The temperature threshold was very high and can melt steel. The only public opposition to this came from Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen. I cannot for a moment think they are scientists by any measure. Do you think Arabs would die for an American conspiracy?

Originally Posted by Frame57

Do you think Arabs would die for an American conspiracy?

Unwillingly, you bet. They were put on the planes, no doubt. No way they knew they were about to be martyrs sooner rather than later. CIA or Mossad, whoever did it would not have risked one of them having a "comming to Jesus" moment in the middle of the airport. They probably thought they were just taking a connecting flight but it was really not the dress rehearsal anymore

I'm still not sure about Flight 93, I am betting a F-16 pilot defied orders and said "fuuck this" and shot the thing down because he heard about the attacks.