2 campaign questions!

ivank · 09-13-08, 11:02 AM

ok thanks!

Raptor1 · 09-13-08, 11:25 AM

Shame SH4 can't model the fact that if you stay in a neutral port too long your ship and crew will get interned

ivank · 09-13-08, 11:37 AM

that really happened? I love ww2 and half studied it for a long time, its amazing that Im still learning things

Task Force · 09-13-08, 11:43 AM

Could the british and american ships do this.:hmm: Dock in a netural port.

Raptor1 · 09-13-08, 11:47 AM

I don't a ship was ever interned during WWII because of international law, but I'm pretty sure that's what would have happened should a ship stayed in a neutral port after the 24-hour time limit imposed by the Hague Convention

Oh, British and American ships are under the same restrictions as the Germans

Nisgeis · 09-13-08, 12:53 PM

Sounds interesting - What was it about international law that meant it didn't happen? I can't recall of any warships that were interned, but I have (I think) read of merchant ships being interned in World War II. In World War I, a number of German merchant ships were internded, including their fastest passenger liner, in the U.S. When the U.S. entered the war, they requisitioned those ships and used them as troop transports and supply vessels. Some of the ships had been rigged with scuttling charges in anticipation of seizure (the crew are either allowed to remain onboard, or be interned on land), but were found and removed before seizure.

The likelihood of a country entereing the war at some future point and the likelihood of of being on your side if they did, were factors in deciding whether or not to allow a ship to be interned or scuttled - two options that were a last resort. If the Graf Spee had of been interned, it may have been used by the Allies, as Uruguay entered the war on February 15th 1945. If the expense of repair had been deemed cost effective. No country is truly neutral

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Raptor1 · 09-13-08, 01:03 PM

If the Graf Spee would've been interned, you can be sure the Germans would try as hard as they could to get it back diplomatically, failing that they might've sent one of her sister ships and used some gunboat diplomacy

Captain Langsdorff instead chose to scuttle, a decision that probably saved his ship from being annihilated by the British ships (Even though most of what he was lead to believe was waiting wasn't there) and Uruguay a lot of problems

Oh, and I don't think the 24-hour limit imposed by the Hague Convention applies to unarmed Merchant ships

09-13-08, 11:02 AM	#1
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	ok thanks! __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

09-13-08, 11:25 AM	#2
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Shame SH4 can't model the fact that if you stay in a neutral port too long your ship and crew will get interned __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

09-13-08, 11:37 AM	#3
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	that really happened? I love ww2 and half studied it for a long time, its amazing that Im still learning things __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

09-13-08, 11:43 AM	#4
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Could the british and american ships do this.:hmm: Dock in a netural port. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

09-13-08, 11:47 AM	#5
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I don't a ship was ever interned during WWII because of international law, but I'm pretty sure that's what would have happened should a ship stayed in a neutral port after the 24-hour time limit imposed by the Hague Convention Oh, British and American ships are under the same restrictions as the Germans __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

09-13-08, 12:53 PM	#6
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Sounds interesting - What was it about international law that meant it didn't happen? I can't recall of any warships that were interned, but I have (I think) read of merchant ships being interned in World War II. In World War I, a number of German merchant ships were internded, including their fastest passenger liner, in the U.S. When the U.S. entered the war, they requisitioned those ships and used them as troop transports and supply vessels. Some of the ships had been rigged with scuttling charges in anticipation of seizure (the crew are either allowed to remain onboard, or be interned on land), but were found and removed before seizure. The likelihood of a country entereing the war at some future point and the likelihood of of being on your side if they did, were factors in deciding whether or not to allow a ship to be interned or scuttled - two options that were a last resort. If the Graf Spee had of been interned, it may have been used by the Allies, as Uruguay entered the war on February 15th 1945. If the expense of repair had been deemed cost effective. No country is truly neutral . __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

09-13-08, 01:03 PM	#7
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	If the Graf Spee would've been interned, you can be sure the Germans would try as hard as they could to get it back diplomatically, failing that they might've sent one of her sister ships and used some gunboat diplomacy Captain Langsdorff instead chose to scuttle, a decision that probably saved his ship from being annihilated by the British ships (Even though most of what he was lead to believe was waiting wasn't there) and Uruguay a lot of problems Oh, and I don't think the 24-hour limit imposed by the Hague Convention applies to unarmed Merchant ships __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

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