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[Letum]

The live of an animal is worth nothing compared to the well being of humans in my opinion.

I would sooner see one million animals die is the worst ways possible than see
a human suffer an inconvenience. (So long as this had no long term effect on any
ecosystems etc.)

It is humans that matter beyond all other concerns.

As the cat cares nothing for the live toy it amuses it's self with, so should we care
care nothing for the subjects of our food, sport, clothing etc.

Only after human concerns does the wellbeing of animals concern me.

In short:
I advocate compassion for both humans and animals, but that for humans
outweighsthat for animals infinitively.

[AJ!]

Originally Posted by Letum

The live of an animal is worth nothing compared to the well being of humans in my opinion.

I would sooner see one million animals die is the worst ways possible than see
a human suffer an inconvenience. (So long as this had no long term effect on any
ecosystems etc.)

It is humans that matter beyond all other concerns.

As the cat cares nothing for the live toy it amuses it's self with, so should we care
care nothing for the subjects of our food, sport, clothing etc.

Only after human concerns does the wellbeing of animals concern me.

In short:
I advocate compassion for both humans and animals, but that for humans
outweighsthat for animals infinitively.

I can tell you never had a pet

Too be honest Letum i find your words very distressing. Im the sort of person who feels bad for the rest of the day if i step on a snail or something ( a bit of a wuss i guess ) Everything has a right to live.

Everyone has their oppinion and i accept your views............ i just hope there are very few people out there with the same opinion as you

[Letum]

Originally Posted by AJ!

I can tell you never had a pet

Animals all my life here.
I grew up on a farm and I currently have two dogs that I love very much.

It's not that I don't have compassion for animals, it's just that they don't copmpare to humans at all.

[AJ!]

Originally Posted by Letum

Animals all my life here.
I grew up on a farm and I currently have two dogs that I love very much.

It's not that I don't have compassion for animals, it's just that they don't copmpare to humans at all.

I must admit that is a bit of a surprise to me. From what you said before it sounded like you never had an animal you cared about. I guess that makes your view much less bias although i still disagree with you

[SS107.9MHz]

Originally Posted by AJ!

I must admit that is a bit of a surprise to me. From what you said before it sounded like you never had an animal you cared about. I guess that makes your view much less bias although i still disagree with you

I tend to think that some humans can't compare to people at all

I tell you one thing if a guy killed my dog I'd take ugly vengence upon is head

[Skybird]

I am no fanatic, but I eat meat very rarely only, and in low quantities, If so, I buy it at a local farm where they are not engaged in intense liferstock farming, and no industrial slaughtering. I see it like this: if you think that animals are lower beings and have no souls, visit an industrial mass slaughterhouse and see what is happening there, see the indifference of humans, the fear and panic of animals, their abuse by totall unalive machinery - and then ask yourself who is the one here showing no soul. Seeing thousands of animals being turned into naked cadavers and shreddered pieces on the blue collar, is an illustration of a vision of hell.

If you want to eat meat, be sure you can bear to kill a living animal with your own hands, and if you feel you could not do it, don't eat meat.

Don't buy meat in supermarkets. Boycott it.

Now take ninto accpunt what probably most of you have seen in pictures and reports about animal transports. Cows with broken legs being tortored with electrshocks at their genitals to make them crawl off the waggon. Sheep carried at one leg by a crane, with the anjle dislocated. Panic and suffering of the animals for one, two, three days. Death by suffocation and no water, heat.

intensive lifestock farming imo is one of the most digusting and shameful disgraces "civilised man" ever became guilty of. It's an obscenity that mocks life and nature, and a declaration of failure of man's ethics.

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I am no fanatic, but I eat meat very rarely only, and in low quantities, If so, I buy it at a local farm where they are not engaged in intense liferstock farming, and no industrial slaughtering. I see it like this: if you think that animals are lower beings and have no souls, visit an industrial mass slaughterhouse and see what is happening there, see the indifference of humans, the fear and panic of animals, their abuse by totall unalive machinery - and then ask yourself who is the one here showing no soul. Seeing thousands of animals being turned into naked cadavers and shreddered pieces on the blue collar, is an illustration of a vision of hell.

If you want to eat meat, be sure you can bear to kill a living animal with your own hands, and if you feel you could not do it, don't eat meat.

Don't buy meat in supermarkets. Boycott it.

Now take ninto accpunt what probably most of you have seen in pictures and reports about animal transports. Cows with broken legs being tortored with electrshocks at their genitals to make them crawl off the waggon. Sheep carried at one leg by a crane, with the anjle dislocated. Panic and suffering of the animals for one, two, three days. Death by suffocation and no water, heat.

intensive lifestock farming imo is one of the most digusting and shameful disgraces "civilised man" ever became guilty of. It's an obscenity that mocks life and nature, and a declaration of failure of man's ethics.

Well hit here here and seconded.

[edit] although I am a fanatic though about somehthing im sure.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I am no fanatic, but I eat meat very rarely only, and in low quantities, If so, I buy it at a local farm where they are not engaged in intense liferstock farming, and no industrial slaughtering. I see it like this: if you think that animals are lower beings and have no souls, visit an industrial mass slaughterhouse and see what is happening there, see the indifference of humans, the fear and panic of animals, their abuse by totall unalive machinery - and then ask yourself who is the one here showing no soul. Seeing thousands of animals being turned into naked cadavers and shreddered pieces on the blue collar, is an illustration of a vision of hell.

If you want to eat meat, be sure you can bear to kill a living animal with your own hands, and if you feel you could not do it, don't eat meat.

Don't buy meat in supermarkets. Boycott it.

Now take ninto accpunt what probably most of you have seen in pictures and reports about animal transports. Cows with broken legs being tortored with electrshocks at their genitals to make them crawl off the waggon. Sheep carried at one leg by a crane, with the anjle dislocated. Panic and suffering of the animals for one, two, three days. Death by suffocation and no water, heat.

intensive lifestock farming imo is one of the most digusting and shameful disgraces "civilised man" ever became guilty of. It's an obscenity that mocks life and nature, and a declaration of failure of man's ethics.

Well said.