New submarine

[Trinidad]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

AEGIS is an american weapons system using radar and stuff jointly developed by japan america and UK (UK supplying parts and japan supplying computer equipment).

Also the spanish have only a small navy and i would personally see this as a first generation of home built submarine it looks alot like the french scorpene submarines being built now and if i remember correctly a licence was agreed between the spanish and DCNS so the spanish could build thier own scorpenes.

So id hesitate to say its all spanish as well.

On top of that the USA have limited fuel cell AIP knowlege or even use for this technology, you would be better off shopping for it in sweden or germany.

http://www.deagel.com/Conventional-A...000425003.aspx

This is a news article from deagel which highlights that the S-80 programme is really scorpenes purchased from france.

The Scorpenes were a joint proyect between the French DCN and the Spanish Bazán (now Navantia), in a 60-40 basis.

The S80 is our first design yes, completely designed in Spain. Uk is for example providing the TA and building the dome (not sonar,just the dome) as it has been designed by us for the first 2. US is provideng the cells....but if they cut the selling of them, well, surely they are "made in China"......there is a MESMA in France also...and in any case, we could try to develop our own (major economic effort as we would have to build industry and the goverment should pay our technicians....)

As I recall....the German 212 looks pretty similar to the scorpene as well http://beguesmaker.blogspot.com/2008...-tipo-212.html
Scorpene here http://www.op.osw.pl/op/wspolczesne_...chemat_big.jpg

Maybe the 212 is also a Scorpene....

In any case, as you said, AEGIS is american, more than anything else...but as far as I know we are the only european navy (with Norway) who can use this system (allowed by US of course...copyright is copyright)

Anyhow, we are changing our navy: we build our own surface ships..and if the goverment spent more money in science research, we would be able to reduce the use of foreign technology.

I hope it´s the beggining of a nice increasement of self-designed technology...maybe in some years we are able to built totally a sub by our own (sensors, torps...) ¡¡this would mean many researchers at work!! and therefore more work for me....

[OneShot]

Well, I dont think the German 212 is a result of any outside help. As far as I know HDW did it on its own (besides HDW is a major exporter (or selling licenses) for conventional subs.

As far as AEGIS goes, the German navy has a radar/system called ARPA in the 124 frigates (SACHSEN class) which is equal to or (depending on who you ask) even more advanced than AEGIS.

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by OneShot

Well, I dont think the German 212 is a result of any outside help. As far as I know HDW did it on its own (besides HDW is a major exporter (or selling licenses) for conventional subs.

As far as AEGIS goes, the German navy has a radar/system called ARPA in the 124 frigates (SACHSEN class) which is equal to or (depending on who you ask) even more advanced than AEGIS.

The british were offered the aegis system but turned it down for thier new type 45's as we have something a little more better again depends who you talk to, but like everything well most things allies share bits and pieces like the tomahawk american missile with british guts or exocet french missile again with british guts.