radar tactics

Laffertytig · 08-12-08, 04:29 PM

good tips there, but how do u determine if your beyond their radar range by hydrophones only, this isnt possible is it? well not in SH3 anyway.

so these dd's are probably detectin me cos my radars is on?

there are 2 types of radar right, the one that detects radar signals and the one that detects contacts. i only see 1 on/off switch, or are they both the same radar?

GoldenRivet · 08-12-08, 04:37 PM

there is one type of radar in SH3... the type which sends out a signal which reflects off a solid object and returns to the antenna indicating a "target".

the second "radar" you are referring to which detects radar signals is not a radar at all... it is just a detector... simply an entenna which knows when radar signals are hitting it. when radar signals hit the detector antenna a warning of some kind sounds (in real life you get an alarm but not SH3)... its just like you would put on the dash of your car to keep from getting a ticket only more fancy.

at maximum hydrophone range, the radar signal deteriorates along the surface so they probably wont detect you as long as you stay on that thin outter fringe of hydrophone contact.

doing that is not easy.

escorts frequently break away from convoys and go into a "search mode" as they zig zag along the flanks of the convoy searching for any signs of a u-boat. this increases the room you have to give convoys to avoid detection.

this lack of hindsight cost a lot of u-boat crews their lives... but by late 1943 - convoy attacks should be all but abandoned

the enemy ships are equiped with radar detectors just like yours are... at least i think so.

i have noticed that when im using my own radar - enemy air and surface units seem to find me much easier than usual.

Laffertytig · 08-12-08, 07:06 PM

so the radar detector is always running, its the search radar that can be turned on and off yes?

GoldenRivet · 08-12-08, 07:38 PM

correct... if you are equipped with a detector

Kielhauler1961 · 08-13-08, 05:31 AM

Yes, the radar warning receiver is always running and because it's a passive device it doesn't betray your position. Herbert Werner in his book "Iron Coffins" stated that the frequency of sudden air attacks on Biscay transits without prior Metox warning actually convinced his crew that the system was giving them away to the enemy. I think they threw all the kit overboard!

However, the Allies moved to shorter wavelength (centimetric) radar bands in 1943 which the earlier RWR's (like Metox) couldn't pick-up. The game reflects this quite accurately, so don't be surprised if you get "bounced" by hostile aircraft in The Bay of Biscay in mid/late-43 without hearing a "peep" out of your RWR.

08-12-08, 04:37 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	there is one type of radar in SH3... the type which sends out a signal which reflects off a solid object and returns to the antenna indicating a "target". the second "radar" you are referring to which detects radar signals is not a radar at all... it is just a detector... simply an entenna which knows when radar signals are hitting it. when radar signals hit the detector antenna a warning of some kind sounds (in real life you get an alarm but not SH3)... its just like you would put on the dash of your car to keep from getting a ticket only more fancy. at maximum hydrophone range, the radar signal deteriorates along the surface so they probably wont detect you as long as you stay on that thin outter fringe of hydrophone contact. doing that is not easy. escorts frequently break away from convoys and go into a "search mode" as they zig zag along the flanks of the convoy searching for any signs of a u-boat. this increases the room you have to give convoys to avoid detection. this lack of hindsight cost a lot of u-boat crews their lives... but by late 1943 - convoy attacks should be all but abandoned the enemy ships are equiped with radar detectors just like yours are... at least i think so. i have noticed that when im using my own radar - enemy air and surface units seem to find me much easier than usual. __________________

08-12-08, 07:38 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	correct... if you are equipped with a detector __________________

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08-12-08, 04:29 PM	#1
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	good tips there, but how do u determine if your beyond their radar range by hydrophones only, this isnt possible is it? well not in SH3 anyway. so these dd's are probably detectin me cos my radars is on? there are 2 types of radar right, the one that detects radar signals and the one that detects contacts. i only see 1 on/off switch, or are they both the same radar?

08-12-08, 07:06 PM	#3
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	so the radar detector is always running, its the search radar that can be turned on and off yes?

08-13-08, 05:31 AM	#5
Kielhauler1961 中国水兵 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: East of the Firth of Forth Posts: 273 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Yes, the radar warning receiver is always running and because it's a passive device it doesn't betray your position. Herbert Werner in his book "Iron Coffins" stated that the frequency of sudden air attacks on Biscay transits without prior Metox warning actually convinced his crew that the system was giving them away to the enemy. I think they threw all the kit overboard! However, the Allies moved to shorter wavelength (centimetric) radar bands in 1943 which the earlier RWR's (like Metox) couldn't pick-up. The game reflects this quite accurately, so don't be surprised if you get "bounced" by hostile aircraft in The Bay of Biscay in mid/late-43 without hearing a "peep" out of your RWR.