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07-30-08, 07:57 PM | #18 |
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I know that König Bismarck sounds like a cool name, but realisticaly if it was built it would have most likely been bestowed with a name like 'Germania' or 'Hindenburg' due to its obvious prestige and massive size. Just a suggestion but i like the name König Bismarck as well
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07-30-08, 08:00 PM | #19 |
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if/when i release him, i might release 2 ships
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07-30-08, 10:51 PM | #20 |
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I dont really know a lot about modding but theres a lot of talented people on these forums that I am certain will be able to solve your modding problems
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07-31-08, 04:22 AM | #21 |
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The drawings are for H-39. H-44 was generally similar but the superstructure was much smaller compared to the hull size. It always seemed to me that the actual designing was not much more than increase dimensions in a linear fashion. The only real difference was that the aviation component was moved to a more logical and traditional midships spot, similar to the arrangement on Bismarck.
The great difference was below waterline: From H-42 on, the design featured a "tunnel" protecting the rudders and screws from hits like the one that crippled Bismarck. The most likely speculative names were "Friedrich der Grosse" and "Hindenburg" for the first two, and maybe some other statesmen for the next.
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since i dont know how to edit the superstructure, im not going to, other than increased lenght and width, and the tunnels on the props, and added funnel. he will look the same.
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12-16-08, 08:21 AM | #25 |
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yet still cant wait until finished hope you can sort out those problems good luck
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12-19-08, 02:24 PM | #26 |
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I gotta admit I can't wait to sail the High Seas with the H-39 and/or the H-44 class modern Super Battleships. In a dream Kreigmarine fleet, I would name the ships KM Germania (H-44), KM Mackensen (H-39), and the KM Moltke (H-39), along with the Tirpitz, Gneisenau, Prinz Eugen, Hipper, 2 Deutschand class pocket battleships, one fleet carrier KM Graf Zeppelin, one escort carrier KM Seydlitz, plus 15 Z-class destroyers. I could hardly imagine a campaign to break out of the Atlantic in a all out commerce raiding scenario, sail into the Indian Ocean, shell the shores of Australia, evade US carrier aircraft, join the Yamato and the Musashi in the Philippines by 1944, annihilate the US fleet at Samar, Sibuyun, and the Leyte, return to the atlantic with a joint German/Japanese task force and crush the British Home fleet, block US/British/Soviet commerce. Sink the newly built HMS Vanguard. I could believe two Iowa class battleships are barely gonna stand up against the two Yamatos, Two H-39, and a H-44 battleship.:p Only downfall is if the US or British carriers catch my fleet sneaking in undetected, then I shall take the beating, or perhaps down down with my ship, knowing I served the Vaterland well, and changed the textbooks of history, that WWII was not an easy win by sea, thus giving the Kriegsmarine surface fleet a higher status it should've deserved. Hope this helps for a nice storyline motivation.
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When you get into the theoretical what ifs of WW2, that's when things get interesting.
In your theoretical operation Seawolve44, you're forgetting that taking that many ships to the West to help the Japanese, leaves the Atlantic wide open. Plus there's the possibility that with their taskforce could be ambushed and damaged on route. Gibraltar is in between them if they plan to go around Africa, and then there's Russia the other way. The Uboat fleet would have to be bigger to warrant such a large dispatch of ships. A more possible and feasible move would be an invasion of Ireland and Britain. Logistics would be handled by the flagforce of battleships and the Graf Zepplin. The GZ would deploy paratroopers and bombers to the minor cities along the coast while the Battleships shell the mainland. Uboats would be used to ferry troops to captured harbours and go from there. Or if they did something like a reverse Operation Overlord, they could do it. Take Europe like they did, ignore Russia for the time being, take France and prepare a strike fleet from the captured french ports. Don't bother making Uboat pens yet, Take Britain and go from there. After Britain has been captured they could take over some of the British assets. Now there's an interesting thought... |
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I am glad to see interset in this mod still exists, however this thread is now part of TSWSM Offical Post. Please post there for now on. Thank you.
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The H44 with 20' guns would no doubt be slow, unwieldy, and a very inviting target for planes. Massive guns would be more suited to a line of battle, which in WWII never happened. Ships were too mobile, aircraft powerful, the H44 would be almost completely useless.
The H39, however, was fairly well thought out. 16' guns were more practical, left more room for AA, and ship would undoubtedly be faster. But it would still be obsolete in the settings. Heres a list of battleships sunk in battle during WWII Hood- By Bismarck Bismarck- Torpedo bombers followed by Nelson Prince of Wales- Air attack Repulse- Same air attack New Mexico, Arizona- Total loss by aircraft Conte di Cavour, Littorio, Caio Duilio- Torpedo Bombers Musashi, Yamato- Aircraft Royal Oak- U-47 Fuso, Yamashiro- Failed Trafalgor-esque battle, sunk by numerous battleships Graf Spee- Damaged by cruisers, then scuttled Scharnhorst- Damage by cruisers, then Duke of York Kongo- Submarine Hiei- Damaged by aircraft, then scuttled Haruna- Aircraft in harbour Kirishima- Damaged by ship, then scuttled Tirpitz- Aircraft Ise- Aircraft Hyuga- Aircraft, then run aground Mutsu- Spontaneous naval combustion You can see that the majority were sunk as a direct result of air assault. Still not convinced? The ones that sank by battleships were at battles lacking air power completely.
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