[WIP] König Bismarck

[ivank]

oh im sry i ment Greomes Bismarck. ill have to get permission.

[W4lt3r]

That's some odd bismarck. Are you talking about the H39-class project battleship? Or even the heavier H44-class project battleship, tho both of them were only paper ships, at least with GMX They're in SH3..

But yeah, those are 2 damn big ships. Could easily outpower a yamato with those, no? :hmm:

[Ishigami]

Originally Posted by W4lt3r

Are you talking about the H39-class project battleship? Or even the heavier H44-class project battleship, tho both of them were only paper ships, at least with GMX They're in SH3..

Those two are in GMX for Sh3? May have screen for us?

[W4lt3r]

Originally Posted by Ishigami

Those two are in GMX for Sh3? May have screen for us?

It is somewhere buried in the SH3 mod image thread, Even though their main armament is wrong, the chassis hits perfectly on the H39 class, i'll try to dig it up from there.

*edit* found it.

Sure, it might have some similarity to the scharnhorst but the ship is way too long to be one, compared on the deutchland on the image. >.> At least my eyes tell me these two are H39's, and when i mentioned this in the thread and also inquired about the Europa class german project carrier / Graf spee, some hint i received that they'd be a Kiel.. *shrug* donno the date though.

[ubootcomrade]

I hope this is of some help for you ivank, its the draft of the H class battleship



gotta love wikipedia

[ivank]

Originally Posted by ubootcomrade

I hope this is of some help for you ivank, its the draft of the H class battleship



gotta love wikipedia

it does help but all i need right now are my questions in my 1st post answered then it will take a week to make.

[mickey117]

Originally Posted by ubootcomrade

I hope this is of some help for you ivank, its the draft of the H class battleship



gotta love Wikipedia

when you think about its a really big ship it said that the H44 would weigh bout 120 thousand tones and that would slow it down alot and i think it would be the same case that happened with the yamoto sure shes/he is big but not invincible

[Sledgehammer427]

Originally Posted by ubootcomrade

wow, looks like a Bismarck with a second funnel, removed hangar, and a (stupidly) relocated catapult. If only I had a working 3D editor, i could get that done in a heartbeat...proly with a Scharnhorst model, because it would take a year after that heartbeat to edit the deck properly. So, modify the Scharnhorst to have a second funnel, a Caesar turret. lengthen it a few feet, widen, and done!

don't worry, it sounds like I'm skipping details, but trust me, it will have its own originality.

[A Very Super Market]

The H44 with 20' guns would no doubt be slow, unwieldy, and a very inviting target for planes. Massive guns would be more suited to a line of battle, which in WWII never happened. Ships were too mobile, aircraft powerful, the H44 would be almost completely useless.

The H39, however, was fairly well thought out. 16' guns were more practical, left more room for AA, and ship would undoubtedly be faster. But it would still be obsolete in the settings. Heres a list of battleships sunk in battle during WWII

Hood- By Bismarck
Bismarck- Torpedo bombers followed by Nelson
Prince of Wales- Air attack
Repulse- Same air attack
New Mexico, Arizona- Total loss by aircraft
Conte di Cavour, Littorio, Caio Duilio- Torpedo Bombers
Musashi, Yamato- Aircraft
Royal Oak- U-47
Fuso, Yamashiro- Failed Trafalgor-esque battle, sunk by numerous battleships
Graf Spee- Damaged by cruisers, then scuttled
Scharnhorst- Damage by cruisers, then Duke of York
Kongo- Submarine
Hiei- Damaged by aircraft, then scuttled
Haruna- Aircraft in harbour
Kirishima- Damaged by ship, then scuttled
Tirpitz- Aircraft
Ise- Aircraft
Hyuga- Aircraft, then run aground
Mutsu- Spontaneous naval combustion

You can see that the majority were sunk as a direct result of air assault. Still not convinced? The ones that sank by battleships were at battles lacking air power completely.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by W4lt3r

It is somewhere buried in the SH3 mod image thread, Even though their main armament is wrong, the chassis hits perfectly on the H39 class, i'll try to dig it up from there.

*edit* found it.

Sure, it might have some similarity to the scharnhorst but the ship is way too long to be one, compared on the deutchland on the image. >.> At least my eyes tell me these two are H39's, and when i mentioned this in the thread and also inquired about the Europa class german project carrier / Graf spee, some hint i received that they'd be a Kiel.. *shrug* donno the date though.

maybe the scharnhorst is a lil longer than should be BUT

Lutzow

Length (Total): 186,0 m (later 187,9 m)
Length (Waterline): 181,7 m
Beam: 20,69 m

Scharnhorst

Length (Total): 229,8 m (234,9 m since 1939)
Length (Waterline): 226,0 m
Beam: 30,0 m

Gneisenau class battleship over 40 m longer and 10m wider than the battlecruiser Lutzow



In fact the heavy cruiser Hipper class was longer than the Lutzow

Hipper Length (Total): 205,9 m

No H class was built so wouldnt be in GWX

Nor the Europa based Spee

Zeppelin yes

So theoretically you could use the Scharnhorst to be a theoretical H class

One of the 10 H class 16" guns actually made, in Norway

[mickey117]

hope this give ya a better veiw maybe a bit different but what the hell

[Lipud U-107]

Originally Posted by mickey117

hope this give ya a better veiw maybe a bit different but what the hell

The German H-Class Superbattleship Götz von Berlichingen at anchor beside the Tirpitz prior to a joint exersize off Norway 1963 .
I think this picture is a photo editing, but it looks like real

this link when am got this foto
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Gre...tschland_Siegt)

[ivank]

Originally Posted by W4lt3r

That's some odd bismarck. Are you talking about the H39-class project battleship? Or even the heavier H44-class project battleship, tho both of them were only paper ships, at least with GMX They're in SH3..

But yeah, those are 2 damn big ships. Could easily outpower a yamato with those, no? :hmm:

the great H44-class, the H44 had 22'' guns but i thought that might be a bit too strong for the gun, at a certain point that much power is excessive, i mean nothing can even dent you, thats boring, i thought 17.75 would be better strong yet not too strong still ofters a challege

[ivank]

so anyone able to answer my questions?

[ubootcomrade]

Your making a H-44 battleship? , You sir, have made a new best friend