Food prices are on the rise ... Has anyone else noticed?

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

One reason - Biofuel

Bio-fuel is far from the only non-food crop and certainly not the most abundant.
More land is devoted to production of beer and other alcoholic drinks
than to bio-fuel.
And then there is game land, luxury crops, wildlife preserves, forestries etc. etc.

An then there is the effect bio-fuel has on oil prices to counter and food rise.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Letum

Bio-fuel is far from the only non-food crop and certainly not the most abundant.
More land is devoted to production of beer and other alcoholic drinks
than to bio-fuel.
And then there is game land, luxury crops, wildlife preserves, forestries etc. etc.

An then there is the effect bio-fuel has on oil prices to counter and food rise.

Think you are wrong there.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=138955
The switch from food farming to fuel farming has done a lot of damage. And it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out. the worldbank with its assessement is not early, but late.

And biofuel is not having enough market shares to compensate for oil prices. With the exception of states like Brazil and Sweden maybe, the whole idea of biofuel saving the oil-dependant industry and technology is a nonbrainer from A to Z. the technology itself has become the problem. what is needed is a new industrial revolution, and a massive adjustement (=toning down) of our living and consummation styles. we simply take more than what the earth can reproduce, and pollute more than what the earth can clean, and live beyond our standards. THESE are the basic problems. every industrial growth and economical boost, leading to even more of what we already have in excess, and making more people in the world live by western industrial standards, is no solution to our problems, but aggrevates the existing ones.

But why worrying, since the bills must be payed by the later generations.

[Frame57]

When i say attacked I do not mean from without but from within. A system that allows special interest to pervade is not a system that serves the people.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Think you are wrong there...

On what point do you think I am wrong?
I did not say that bio-fuel was not a factor in rising food prices.

I was just pointing out that it is one of very many non-food, non-essential
uses of potential farmland.
You could cut food prices by cutting down bio-fuel production, but equally you
could cut food prices by cutting down on luxery land use as listed above.

[Skybird]

Possible I understood you wrong, Letum. Trouble with "abundant" - wrong translation over here. I was referring to that it is wrong to assume that biofuel has not had a massive distorting effect on food prices and has been the main factor in letting nthem explode in the past 1.5-2 years, and that biofuel is not a good choice to counter energy, food and climate issues. If you did not mean anything of this, then it has been my fault, sorry then. But if you meant any of this, all hell's fire shall fall upon you.

[Konovalov]

Geetrue, I take it you don't do the shopping in your household.

Seriously, food prices have been rising significantly over the last year. Not all food commodities mind you but rather the essentials such as bread, rice, and milk to name a few. The prices on cars, tv's and the like have come down while the essential food items have risen. Perhaps I should change my diet to large widescreen LCD tv's?

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Geetrue, I take it you don't do the shopping in your household.

Seriously, food prices have been rising significantly over the last year. Not all food commodities mind you but rather the essentials such as bread, rice, and milk to name a few. The prices on cars, tv's and the like have come down while the essential food items have risen. Perhaps I should change my diet to large widescreen LCD tv's?

I do the shopping, because I am single ... I like a little Hazelnut cream in my coffee too every morning ...

I was paying $3.00 on sale and maybe $4.00 when not on sale. I just paid $5.39 this morning, even hot dogs are over $5.00 for hebrew national all beef franks.

Naugh I noticed the prices going up ... I wanted to know if this international community had noticed.

Seems they have ... thank you kindly

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Letum

Bio-fuel is far from the only non-food crop and certainly not the most abundant.
More land is devoted to production of beer and other alcoholic drinks
than to bio-fuel.
And then there is game land, luxury crops, wildlife preserves, forestries etc. etc.

An then there is the effect bio-fuel has on oil prices to counter and food rise.

He's just hating on biofuel, like he always does. Wonder if he's cooked up any new global warming conspiracies.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

He's just hating on biofuel, like he always does. Wonder if he's cooked up any new global warming conspiracies.

I thought Subman was all about ANTI global warming. Maybe you're thinking of our resident America hater Skybird...

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Letum

Bio-fuel is far from the only non-food crop and certainly not the most abundant.
More land is devoted to production of beer and other alcoholic drinks
than to bio-fuel.
And then there is game land, luxury crops, wildlife preserves, forestries etc. etc.

Food for livestock.

[August]

I think the US has enough land set aside for feeding our population. We don't need to be plowing under more of it.

[UnderseaLcpl]

In Soviet Russia, food prices raise YOU!

[geetrue]

I was just thinking, "if russia defends Iran we (meaning the USA) may all have to move to Canada to grow our food"

whoops wrong thread ...

[Takao]

I think this falls under the heading of "DUHHH!".

Having traveled to Hawaii in the past, it has always been more expensive, and this goes back to 1989. The thing about Hawaii is, its an island. An island that imports most of the food consumed by the populance. Back in 1989, a $10 meal at a Sizzler in PA was a $17 dollar meal in Hawaii.

If you really want to compare how food prices have climbed. Just look at what you're paying now vs. what you were paying then.