We the undersigned.. - Page 4

gj2020 · 04-20-08, 10:12 AM

Aye

ryoga_77 · 07-13-08, 07:27 AM

i stand to be counted

1480 · 07-13-08, 09:00 AM

Wow, my distant creepy uncle may have been right all of these years, bisexuality just doubles your chances of getting lucky at two in the morning..... who would have thunk it.... :rotfl:

Seriously, love both games and glad I have the oppurtunity to play them both!

Onkel Neal · 07-13-08, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

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have personally written to Neal about this matter, but received no response. I will hope this means that he and other moderators are simply too busy to have responded to my mail. However, I fear that what it really means is that the bullies' mods generate so much site traffic that it would be bad business to require that they behave in a civil manner to the low profile and meek members such as myself. Better to let them wipe their feet on people such as myself than risk having them go offsite and open their own separate Web distribution and discussion home.

I have no idea why Neal has not replied to you -probably because he is too busy with lots of things, including real life- but you can be SURE that there is no preferential treatment or additional tolerance to anyone here at subsim.com just because he has done a mod that "generates more traffic"

Subsim was here before all those supermods and modders, and will be here -if God allows- when all those mods are a long forgotten thing.

Moderators might want to hold the trigger sometimes because we do not like to act as a Gestapo, and ultimately we prefer to allow some discussions that go around the limit line rather than managing this as a Kindergarten., But anytime you have a complaint about a specific action of another member that you think has crossed the line, you can contact a moderator per PM and you will for sure get a reply. Sadly Neal can't reply to all the mails and PMs he received, but moderators will try their best, be sure

Well said. One of the problems with straightening out these squabbles is Subsim does not like to play the authority card except as a last resort. Every one of the folks who has been involved in these arguements sincerely believes they are in the right. And there is no easy solution that will make everyone happy. That's why we are now going to be stricter with regards to the bickering and counter bickering in the SH forums.

As for my not replying to e-mails, I really try to keep up with every one but seriously, the volume can be overwhelming. Some require immediate answers and usually an e-mail carries with it some task in addition to answering (resetting passwords, changing forum e-mails, checking spam, moderating a forum squabble, checking a dead link, thanking a nice donor, checking a Subsim Almanac order, pursuing an idea presented by a forum member/moderator, responding to game developers, updating the news, ETC x100). I read every e-mail but I find that I cannot answer every one, at least not right away. As I am sure happens with you, often you have some e-mail you intend to answer but you need a bit of time to write out a decent reply, and the e-mails keep coming in and they "sink" down the list.... before you know it you have 180 e-mails to reply to and some of them get pretty old. On Saturdays I will get up and start going through old e-mails but I rarely catch up

I love you guys, sorry if I do not get back to you on something.

thanks
Neal

nikimcbee · 07-13-08, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

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Originally Posted by Hitman

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have personally written to Neal about this matter, but received no response. I will hope this means that he and other moderators are simply too busy to have responded to my mail. However, I fear that what it really means is that the bullies' mods generate so much site traffic that it would be bad business to require that they behave in a civil manner to the low profile and meek members such as myself. Better to let them wipe their feet on people such as myself than risk having them go offsite and open their own separate Web distribution and discussion home.

I have no idea why Neal has not replied to you -probably because he is too busy with lots of things, including real life- but you can be SURE that there is no preferential treatment or additional tolerance to anyone here at subsim.com just because he has done a mod that "generates more traffic"

Subsim was here before all those supermods and modders, and will be here -if God allows- when all those mods are a long forgotten thing.

Moderators might want to hold the trigger sometimes because we do not like to act as a Gestapo, and ultimately we prefer to allow some discussions that go around the limit line rather than managing this as a Kindergarten., But anytime you have a complaint about a specific action of another member that you think has crossed the line, you can contact a moderator per PM and you will for sure get a reply. Sadly Neal can't reply to all the mails and PMs he received, but moderators will try their best, be sure

Well said. One of the problems with straightening out these squabbles is Subsim does not like to play the authority card except as a last resort. Every one of the folks who has been involved in these arguements sincerely believes they are in the right. And there is no easy solution that will make everyone happy. That's why we are now going to be stricter with regards to the bickering and counter bickering in the SH forums.

As for my not replying to e-mails, I really try to keep up with every one but seriously, the volume can be overwhelming. Some require immediate answers and usually an e-mail carries with it some task in addition to answering (resetting passwords, changing forum e-mails, checking spam, moderating a forum squabble, checking a dead link, thanking a nice donor, checking a Subsim Almanac order, pursuing an idea presented by a forum member/moderator, responding to game developers, updating the news, ETC x100). I read every e-mail but I find that I cannot answer every one, at least not right away. As I am sure happens with you, often you have some e-mail you intend to answer but you need a bit of time to write out a decent reply, and the e-mails keep coming in and they "sink" down the list.... before you know it you have 180 e-mails to reply to and some of them get pretty old. On Saturdays I will get up and start going through old e-mails but I rarely catch up

I love you guys, sorry if I do not get back to you on something.

thanks
Neal

Sounds like you need a secretary:hmm: .

Dude · 07-13-08, 09:57 AM

Amen

Could not agree more

Schroeder · 07-13-08, 09:58 AM

Signed.

Arclight · 07-13-08, 04:07 PM

You've got my vote.

Good to see the issues exposed for all to see, instead of it sweltering beneath the surface.

keltos01 · 07-13-08, 04:19 PM

I concur

Anachronous · 07-13-08, 05:30 PM

Great post! Although I dont generally make my own mods for SH, I have been modding games for years and also help manage a modding community for another game.

One thing I often remind people, is that most mods out there start out as one person's desire to change the game to their liking, and they are sharing their work with us. They are not here to serve us, nor here to listen to our demands.

If we dont like a mod, we arent forced to use it. Modders are not obligated to listen to our requests, but choose to do so of their own free will. No one is getting paid.

Zero Niner · 07-13-08, 08:46 PM

I fully and whole-heartedly agree with the sentiments expressed by the TS.

IOW: I'll drink to that!

Fearless · 07-13-08, 09:06 PM

Signed.

clayp · 07-14-08, 11:22 AM

HERE HERE!!!!!..A great big YOU BET!!!!...signing from me..No one has been attacked more then me...I have been called a cheater, a troll an idiot and more..This is a great post!!!!....

d5j55 · 07-14-08, 11:55 AM

absolutly

Hylander_1314 · 07-14-08, 12:41 PM

Very nice. Wholeheartedly agree. One of the reasons I stopped doing mods, was the silly behavior that accompanied the world of modding. Aside from lack of time to get things done in a timely manner.

04-20-08, 10:12 AM	#46
gj2020 Sailor man Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 50 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	Very nicely put Aye __________________

07-13-08, 09:00 AM	#48
1480 Lead Slinger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chitcago, Illinoise Posts: 1,442 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	Wow, my distant creepy uncle may have been right all of these years, bisexuality just doubles your chances of getting lucky at two in the morning..... who would have thunk it.... :rotfl: Seriously, love both games and glad I have the oppurtunity to play them both! __________________

07-13-08, 04:07 PM	#53
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	You've got my vote. Good to see the issues exposed for all to see, instead of it sweltering beneath the surface. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

07-13-08, 04:19 PM	#54
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	I concur __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

07-13-08, 05:30 PM	#55
Anachronous Medic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tasmania Posts: 167 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Great post! Although I dont generally make my own mods for SH, I have been modding games for years and also help manage a modding community for another game. One thing I often remind people, is that most mods out there start out as one person's desire to change the game to their liking, and they are sharing their work with us. They are not here to serve us, nor here to listen to our demands. If we dont like a mod, we arent forced to use it. Modders are not obligated to listen to our requests, but choose to do so of their own free will. No one is getting paid. __________________ Use of undefined constants causes assumptions!

07-13-08, 07:27 AM	#47
ryoga_77 A-ganger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Malta,The Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier Posts: 75 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	i stand to be counted

07-13-08, 09:57 AM	#51
Dude Seaman Join Date: May 2003 Location: Greece Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Amen Could not agree more

07-13-08, 09:58 AM	#52
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Signed.

07-13-08, 08:46 PM	#56
Zero Niner Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,033 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	I fully and whole-heartedly agree with the sentiments expressed by the TS. IOW: I'll drink to that!

07-13-08, 09:06 PM	#57
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Signed. __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

07-14-08, 11:22 AM	#58
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	HERE HERE!!!!!..A great big YOU BET!!!!...signing from me..No one has been attacked more then me...I have been called a cheater, a troll an idiot and more..This is a great post!!!!.... __________________ clayp

07-14-08, 11:55 AM	#59
d5j55 Loader Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: soon to be Germany Posts: 89 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	absolutly __________________ blah blah this blah blah that.. all I want to know is what we are going to do next!

07-14-08, 12:41 PM	#60
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Very nice. Wholeheartedly agree. One of the reasons I stopped doing mods, was the silly behavior that accompanied the world of modding. Aside from lack of time to get things done in a timely manner. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

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