Is War With Iran Necessary?

Frame57 · 07-12-08, 03:04 AM

Having a few drinks with Ret. Lt. CMD R.H. Boehm we had a discussion about "world peace". I asked him if he thought we would ever see it. His reply to me was, "Are you kidding me? Look at the history of the human race, mankind will go to war over cultural issues, religion, turf, economy, you name it. How about in school wasn't there always a school bully or two? Did the bully quit bothering kids that were peace loving? No! This just inflames the instincts in man to take advantage over the weak as they see it. the only way to get the bully to stop is to punch his lights out. Works every time! No! We will never see world peace...."

I agree with Roy, and the situation in Iran will not be solved through diplomacy. However, I think it should be Israel's decision not America's to take out Iran's nuclear facilties. they did it before and they can do it again. Iran seems to harbor an "armageddon" view of it's role in the world. Which makes me believe that if they get the bomb, they will use the bomb in a most deleterious fashion. So, I do not think war with Iran is necessary, just a nice spanking my do the trick.

Ishmael · 07-14-08, 07:33 AM

So here is my scenario of the possible consequences of an attack on Iran by either Israel or the US.

Once the attack begins, expect the Iranians to repond with an overwhelming anti-ship missle attack on the US Fifth fleet using waves of hundreds or Exocet, Sunburn and Yakhonts missles combined with Shkval torpedos launched from submarines and suicide speedboats. The Navy's own war games predicted a result of Naval casualties in the 20-30,000 range and vessel losses in excess of 75%. At the same time, look for the Iranians to close the Hormuz Straits with similar attacks on any vessel attempting transit, driving oil prices to $3-400/bbl and $20-30/gal for gas. If Iran's ballistic missle arsenal doesn't have the range, expect Hezbollah to launch massive rocket attacks with conventional, chemical and biological warheads on Israel proper. While all this is going on, expect China, Russia, and Iran to dump their dollar holdings en masse triggering both hyperinflation and economic collapse in the US. Other OPEC members will also be forced to dump their dollar holdings as well, accelerating the US economic collapse. The Shi'ite population of Iraq will rise up against US forces there, trapping them in Iraq as the Iranian Army moves across the Shat-al-Arab and taking Basra leaving the only escape route through Kurdistan into Turkey for US forces there. This will leave the Bush administration no choice but to use nuclear weapons against Iran, triggering a general war with the Islamic world, the collapse of the Pakistani government and giving al-qaeda in Pakistan the very access to Nuclear weapons the Iran attack was supposed to forestall.

View Poll Results: Is War With Iran Necessary?
Yes	9	13.24%
Undecided	6	8.82%
No	37	54.41%
Perhaps, but diplomacy should first be used.	16	23.53%
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

07-12-08, 03:04 AM	#1
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Having a few drinks with Ret. Lt. CMD R.H. Boehm we had a discussion about "world peace". I asked him if he thought we would ever see it. His reply to me was, "Are you kidding me? Look at the history of the human race, mankind will go to war over cultural issues, religion, turf, economy, you name it. How about in school wasn't there always a school bully or two? Did the bully quit bothering kids that were peace loving? No! This just inflames the instincts in man to take advantage over the weak as they see it. the only way to get the bully to stop is to punch his lights out. Works every time! No! We will never see world peace...." I agree with Roy, and the situation in Iran will not be solved through diplomacy. However, I think it should be Israel's decision not America's to take out Iran's nuclear facilties. they did it before and they can do it again. Iran seems to harbor an "armageddon" view of it's role in the world. Which makes me believe that if they get the bomb, they will use the bomb in a most deleterious fashion. So, I do not think war with Iran is necessary, just a nice spanking my do the trick.

07-14-08, 07:33 AM	#2
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	So here is my scenario of the possible consequences of an attack on Iran by either Israel or the US. Once the attack begins, expect the Iranians to repond with an overwhelming anti-ship missle attack on the US Fifth fleet using waves of hundreds or Exocet, Sunburn and Yakhonts missles combined with Shkval torpedos launched from submarines and suicide speedboats. The Navy's own war games predicted a result of Naval casualties in the 20-30,000 range and vessel losses in excess of 75%. At the same time, look for the Iranians to close the Hormuz Straits with similar attacks on any vessel attempting transit, driving oil prices to $3-400/bbl and $20-30/gal for gas. If Iran's ballistic missle arsenal doesn't have the range, expect Hezbollah to launch massive rocket attacks with conventional, chemical and biological warheads on Israel proper. While all this is going on, expect China, Russia, and Iran to dump their dollar holdings en masse triggering both hyperinflation and economic collapse in the US. Other OPEC members will also be forced to dump their dollar holdings as well, accelerating the US economic collapse. The Shi'ite population of Iraq will rise up against US forces there, trapping them in Iraq as the Iranian Army moves across the Shat-al-Arab and taking Basra leaving the only escape route through Kurdistan into Turkey for US forces there. This will leave the Bush administration no choice but to use nuclear weapons against Iran, triggering a general war with the Islamic world, the collapse of the Pakistani government and giving al-qaeda in Pakistan the very access to Nuclear weapons the Iran attack was supposed to forestall.