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Old 07-02-08, 07:36 AM   #1
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Simultaneously, in a Soviet NAVY on arms consist 32 such as various types torpedos. It in the period 80-90 years.

It is the official data.

The development of new arms was encouraged with the premiums of government.
The new type weapon made as "hot-dogs" and received for it the big money premiums and awards.

Gold Time!

But now situation such:
America has the military budget of 594 billion dollars
Russia - has the military budget of 34 billions.
Have felt a difference? :p
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Old 07-02-08, 09:00 AM   #2
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Simultaneously, in a Soviet NAVY on arms consist 32 such as various types torpedos. It in the period 80-90 years.

It is the official data.
As for almost century long period it is not so many models especially providing for torpedo types introduced before and during World War II.

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The development of new arms was encouraged with the premiums of government.
The new type weapon made as "hot-dogs" and received for it the big money premiums and awards.

Gold Time!
Do not forget Soviet economy was controlled one. Thus no battles for premiums and awards were possible as not compliant with Five Years Armament Plans and prosecuted by KGB/NKVD. In fact under Stalin many talented Soviet constuctors like Tupolev created their projects doing bird. So he wasn't in position to wage battles with NKVD for awards maybe except a little better slop. :p
No confidence tricks around Supreme Soviet or Politburo made by various arms concerns like those around US Congress, buddy!
What really occurred was derailing one design bureau's project by another. For example Tupolev and Raduga DBs lobby monopolized air-launched anti-ship missiles development and finally AS-4 missile remained the sole vital ALCM for 30 years.

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But now situation such:
America has the military budget of 594 billion dollars
Russia - has the military budget of 34 billions.
Have felt a difference? :p
Note Russia is not USSR. I did not talk about present Russia which is now in process of complete disarmament by the way...

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Old 07-02-08, 02:36 PM   #3
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Really only Ukraine and Belorussia was in the Soviet union the manufacturer of the weapon.
Other republics (Mid Asia and Pribaltika) had no and also now have no any technologies for manufacture of the weapon.
Besides the military budget was formed in Moscow, he was common, instead of in union republics.
Concerning the premiums - is wrong buddy!
Existed Lenin's the premium, Stalin's premium, and State premium.

At first scietist put in prison, then let out and gave development of the weapon.
Then - or again put in prison or gave the premium!
( Besides - all this was till 1953 yet has died Stalin. After that nobody put in prison.

For example - Igor Kurchatov. Has made first soviet a nuclear bomb and has received the premium. Or Mikchail Lisichko - main designer of torpedos such as "APR" types.

About these premiums never wrote in the newspapers are there were confidential rewardings.
And the names of these scientists were too confidential - nobody knew of their surnames.
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Old 07-03-08, 04:07 AM   #4
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32 types of torpedos were on arms in the period between 1980-1990years! But not during one century as you speak.

Then when the Soviet union had a serious opposition with the block NATO and the weapon made in huge quantities.
To your item of information - the torpedos, removed from battle service , are not destroyed.
Torpedo 65-76 - you think what them simply have cut on metal? Be mistaken.
They the storage in a warehouse still is years 10-15. If there will be a necessity them always it is possible to return on a service.
Also business is and with nuclear warheads - Russia now destroys these charges.
( On the American money. On Ukraine, bombers TU- 22 also, were cut for the American money.)
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Old 07-03-08, 12:23 PM   #5
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32 types of torpedos were on arms in the period between 1980-1990 years! But not during one century as you speak.

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It in the period 80-90 years.
Learn more English and come back!
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Old 07-03-08, 12:53 PM   #6
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It's true some people seem to use google translate for writing posts here.

Fools .. they should know altavista's Babel fish is much better ! :rotfl:
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Old 07-03-08, 01:34 PM   #7
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It's true some people seem to use google translate for writing posts here.

Fools .. they should know altavista's Babel fish is much better ! :rotfl:
Yet English knowlegde is the best! :rotfl:

PS. Now I see why I cannot understand some written in "English" posts here. Thanks Dr. Sid!
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