Stupid STUPID game

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by irish1958

No bug; that is what happened. It is difficult to survive past 1943.

I'm not complaining about the destroyer's effectivness as such, I understand it gets harder.

Its my boat suddenly not maintaining its depth. I loaded the game just now, ran into another destroyer, and it HELD its depth this time. It didn't sink out of control like before.

If the boat is in tip top shape as mine is, there is no reason why the boat shouldn't hold the depth you tell it to go to.

I enjoy the game of cat and mouse with the destroyers, I really do. But when the boat doesn't even hold its depth, it sucks the enjoyment out of the game really quickly, and just annoys the absolute s%it out of me!!. I had a look at the external cam during the whole problem, and the boat would level off, then the ass would begin to fall backwards, and pull the rest of the boat down with it!!!!

Now, if the boat was damaged in some way, diving planes, or ballast tanks, or out of compressed air or something, that might be cause for it and I could accept that....but in this case, there's just no reason for it, and it only serves to really annoy me as i say, and a sinking boat that shouldn't be sinking without reason i will not accept lol

[Letum]

This could be two things:

1) You need to keep moving to maintain depth. However good your crew is, they can't balance out the boat just with the ballast tanks. You need water passing the dive planes.
Just 1 knot is enough to keep your boat somewhat stable.

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

Wait until the boat leavels off after a crash dive before ordering a new depth.

[Phaedrus]

Aha!

So thats what it is!


I too have had this same problem before, and it can be very frustrating.

I have survived by heading in the directly away from the convoy 180 degrees from it's heading, until the destroyer finally decides to go back to his sheep.

Now that I think of it, it must be when I order crash dives and change depth.

I frequently crash dive and then set the new depth to 220.

Thanks for this tip, I'll let it hit 70 at least before I make my next order

Originally Posted by Letum

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

Wait until the boat leavels off after a crash dive before ordering a new depth.

This is good to know. I crashdive a lot and then level off at 30 meters or something. I crash first when planes come around because I would rather smack the bottom then get smacked by a plane.

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by Letum

This could be two things:

1) You need to keep moving to maintain depth. However good your crew is, they can't balance out the boat just with the ballast tanks. You need water passing the dive planes.
Just 1 knot is enough to keep your boat somewhat stable.

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

Wait until the boat leavels off after a crash dive before ordering a new depth.

I would say that its number 2 point you raised. Quite often after a crash dive, once the boat is under, I order the planes into Dive mode to keep the boat going down.

[quote=Letum]
2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?))[ /quote]

Which means it's a problem with stock maybe?
Can you be a bit more difinitive?
Quite blameing GWX for every standard problem out there!!

[Letum]

Originally Posted by privateer

Which means it's a problem with stock maybe?
Can you be a bit more difinitive?

Nah, sorry, I can't be any more definative. I know it is in GWX, but I don't know if it
is in stock. It has been many, many moons since I played stock.
It could be a result of changes to the boat's bauancy(?)

Quite blameing GWX for every standard problem out there!!

What's your problem?
I'm not blameing GWX for this and I haven't blames GWX for any other bugs!

I don't blame the devs either. Bugs are not the fault of developers. It's just a fact of
complex code that these things happen.

[Penelope_Grey]

Its not even a GWX bug though or even a SH3 bug IMO so for what its worth you can accept or reject what I have to say to your own content... Its simple physics guys... in a crash dive what do you do? Open your tanks as wide as you can to flood them as quick as you can, to make the boat as heavy as possible so it dives as fast as possible.

So if it doesn't trim at your exact ordered depth straight away... surely that is more realistic rather than a "bug"?

These were ancient machines, they didn't have computers to work out the ballast tank trim down to the last litre, they relied on twisting wheels and pulling levers to make it balance out. In a crash dive, I imagine doing that was exceedingly difficult. There is no fault here. Since it doesn't do that in a normal dive....

I rest my case.

[Myxale]

Bah!

You poor sods!

I spent once 5 realtime hours with my good ol IXB in W@W I north of Britania!

Having been caught by surprise (ramming with some Ash-Cans to boot) by one of the DD's; my boot banged up was not leveled the whole time! Stern-heavy.
Flooding and damage and way back with the first REL of LRT. Hah! I made it!

40 min....don't make me:rotfl:

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Its not even a GWX bug though or even a SH3 bug IMO so for what its worth you can accept or reject what I have to say to your own content... Its simple physics guys... in a crash dive [...]

I think it is a little too erratic to be design.
But that's just irrelevant technical stuff. Design or bug, it does add to the realism as you pointed out.
I'm all for embracing it!

The subs in SH3 seam to me to be very stable. IRL it was totally impossible to keep the
boat level for long without around 2 knots of water passing the planes.

Does SH3 Commander cause depth keeping problems in the malfunctions/sabotage?

Originally Posted by Myxale

my boot banged up was not leveled the whole time! Stern-heavy.
Flooding and damage and way back with the first REL of LRT. Hah! I made it!

I secretly want this to happen. Since installing the correct interior angles it's gotta look great.
Don't tell my crew I said that.

[Yorktown_Class]

Originally Posted by Letum

This could be two things:

1) You need to keep moving to maintain depth. However good your crew is, they can't balance out the boat just with the ballast tanks. You need water passing the dive planes.
Just 1 knot is enough to keep your boat somewhat stable.

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

Wait until the boat leavels off after a crash dive before ordering a new depth.

WOW good to know,I always thought it had something to do with going silent,it would sink while being hunted,not all the time tho

[rifleman13]

Originally Posted by Yorktown_Class

WOW good to know,I always thought it had something to do with going silent,it would sink while being hunted,not all the time tho

Good to know that.
I was just been DC'ed by three ASW trawlers and it was crazy and nervous. I went to periscope depth and saw them leaving the scene.

Then placed an eel to two of them!

[Captain Nemo]

I'm in a similar situation off the North Western Approaches just after sinking an Ore Carrier in convoy. Just cannot hold depth at silent speed, the boat just slips down slowly by the stern until you increase speed to get to a shallower depth. Of course, the escorts are then on to you and give you another bashing with their depth charges. Currently heading away from the convoy at 180 degrees in an effort to give the escorts the slip. To a degree this is a frustrating situation, but I agree with Kpt Lehmann in that I look on it as a bit of added realism rather than a bug and a challenge that the Kaleun must rise to if he is to succeed in being a successful commander.

Nemo

[msalama]

Yeah, but if the boat is sinking unless you go 3kts forward, and the repair team is banging away, then what the h*ll is there to do but surrender in the long run, because the buggers will still hear you no matter what? The weather, granted, may come to your rescue (as may decoys, etc. too if used wisely), but other than that...

This isn't a whine, so please don't misunderstand me now. From what I've read they did hear you pretty easily if the conditions were good, and you were noisy. But if those are the circumstances then how exactly _can_ you slip away - or can you just not?

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Or, in other words: tips please, ladies and gents, and I'll buy you a drink if we ever meet

Originally Posted by Letum

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

I qoute your post Sir!!

Would you care to explain that?
Without asking what my problem is.
Why do you point at GWX without backup data?
(and stock(?))
Try playing SH3 as it came out of the box before makeing obtuse statements.
You did not say
Is there a bug in GWX
You said
There is a bug in GWX