31,000 US scientists sign petition against hydrocarbon caused Global Warming

[August]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

And those freaks came and claimed that this was all bs. Now we have clean rivers again in which animals live!!! Who needs that?

I WAS alive during the 1970's and i'd be interested in hearing where you got the idea that people were claiming pollution was BS. IIRC nobody denied that pollution existed or that it was harmful. Hard to ignore a polluted river. The smell alone will draw your attention to it.

Global warming on the other hand is a lot more like the ice age scares of the same time period. Lots of preaching and vaguely defined threats, like increased and more powerful hurricanes for example, that don't seem to pan out. Often accompanied by requests for increased funding...

[Schroeder]

I meant the people started to think that causing so much pollution is bs and that they should stop doing it. I didn't mean that they thought there wouldn't be a thing like pollution.
Maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough....

[Safe-Keeper]

Global warming on the other hand is a lot more like the ice age scares of the same time period. Lots of preaching and vaguely defined threats

No. Global cooling was a real event in that the average global temperature did sink a bit, but it didn't get nearly the attention that AGW is getting today.

Not that it matters. A theory can be similar to another theory without it having any bearing on its veracity.

like increased and more powerful hurricanes for example, that don't seem to pan out.

Exactly - they didn't come true. Unlike the predictions for Global Warming, which ARE coming true and can be empirically observed.
Thank you for playing. You can redeem your price at the reception.

Often accompanied by requests for increased funding...

I love how deniers somehow seem to think that the fact that there's money to be made on AGW somehow means it isn't true. Name one branch of science that doesn't have scientists interested in making money. You won't find one.

[August]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

I love how deniers somehow...

And I love how the global warming crowd resorts to name calling for whoever doesn't buy 100% into their wild theories. Doubters are "deniers" or "paid shills of the ebil oil companies".

Well two years ago global warming was supposed to cause hurricanes to become more numerous and severe. It hasn't. Winters were supposed to get progressively warming. They haven't. The gulf stream was going to shut down, it hasn't. Seems like every time an effect is supposed to be observable it isn't.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

Winters were supposed to get progressively warming. They haven't.

The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1995.

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1995.

Couldn't prove that by the winter we just had here in New England.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

Couldn't prove that by the winter we just had here in New England.

It was still below the norm unless you have different weather 60 miles from here and it's also been one of the wettest as in rain and not snow..

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by August

Winters were supposed to get progressively warming. They haven't. The gulf stream was going to shut down, it hasn't. Seems like every time an effect is supposed to be observable it isn't.

Winter? What winter? We haven't had one here in central Europe this year.
And that last year was a joke compared to the winters we had when I was a kid...

I'm not sure about the gulf stream but I don't think it can cut out within two years. We are talking here about global climatic changes. That takes time and two years are definitly not enough. it's not like we are getting one fast blast like with a nuke and then everything is changed forever. It takes several years, maybe decades.

[Safe-Keeper]

Winters were supposed to get progressively warming. They haven't.

Average global temperatures have risen for the last thirty years. This is a fact, and it'd be hard for this to happen without winters getting warmer, too.

The gulf stream was going to shut down, it hasn't.

Huh? Give me a link to whoever said that the Gulf Stream should've shut down by now ("now" being any date or time before today, May 27th 2008).

The Gulf Stream is indeed getting weaker, and this is observable. It's nowhere near a catastrophic change, or even a significant one, but in the future, it might become one. We don't know yet.

The effects of AGW are noticable. That is, to those who either look for them, or, like me, live in areas affected by the effects of faster-than-natural climate change.

[SUBMAN1]

Average global tempuratures have been warming at the same rate since our last mini Ice Age. What you see this year is its peak year.

But yeah, the global warming crowd resorts to insults and threats the moment someone doesn't agree with their propaganda, no matter how strong the evidence against it.

Sad. Must be dealing with teenagers or something.

If you would rather have a scientific discussion instead of insults, we can start with how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. Let's analyze it.

And whomever called CO2 a deadly gas - that's not quite correct. Every time you exhale, you release CO2 from your own lungs! Guess we'd all be dead from breathing!

-S

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Winter? What winter? We haven't had one here in central Europe this year.
And that last year was a joke compared to the winters we had when I was a kid...

There was a winter? I thought it as an unusualy long autumn and then suddenly spring. But the year before that we had the coldest winter since 1941 here.

[Safe-Keeper]

Average global tempuratures have been warming at the same rate since our last mini Ice Age.

Doesn't look like that to me.

But yeah, the global warming crowd resorts to insults and threats the moment someone doesn't agree with their propaganda, no matter how strong the evidence against it.

Sad. Must be dealing with teenagers or something.

Another strawman. I'm sorry about resorting to insults, but when I do, it's because I'm sick and tired of the same garbage recycled endlessly - as I've said. When deniers don't make even the least bit of effort at understanding the issue and rather just endlessly parrot the same nonse... I get angry.

If you would rather have a scientific discussion instead of insults, we can start with how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. Let's analyze it.

Does it matter to you? Please prove me wrong, but I see looming ahead of me an appeal to incredulity fallcies (2oh, so it's only x part out of y! So much for it having an effect!"). But OK. I've looked and found that it's 380ppm, as far as I could tell. This from both FOX "News" and the "greenies".

And whomever called CO2 a deadly gas - that's not quite correct. Every time you exhale, you release CO2 from your own lungs! Guess we'd all be dead from breathing!

That's the kind of unreason I'm speaking of. Whether or not you exhale it is irrelevant - it's whether or not it does damage to you when you inhale it that's important.

Technically, Co2 is a poisonous gas when inhaled in too big amounts.