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Old 05-18-08, 04:08 AM   #1
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So VT is McCain Bush?
Yes, that is what their handlers are telling them now. It defelcts the critisizm of their wonder candidate.
I'll let McCain respond to both your questions himself on Bush's Knesset remarks on 'appeasement' and Chamberlain and whether it is justifiable to associate him with those remarks by Bush.

Mr. McCain endorsed Mr. Bush’s remarks, saying, “The president is exactly right,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/us...70Xxo/cUKwUH0A
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So VT is McCain Bush?
Yes, that is what their handlers are telling them now. It defelcts the critisizm of their wonder candidate.
I'll let McCain respond to both your questions himself on Bush's Knesset remarks on 'appeasement' and Chamberlain and whether it is justifiable to associate him with those remarks by Bush.

Mr. McCain endorsed Mr. Bush’s remarks, saying, “The president is exactly right,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/us...70Xxo/cUKwUH0A
I asked you.

Is McCain Bush?
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Old 05-18-08, 04:57 AM   #3
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So VT is McCain Bush?
Yes, that is what their handlers are telling them now. It defelcts the critisizm of their wonder candidate.
I'll let McCain respond to both your questions himself on Bush's Knesset remarks on 'appeasement' and Chamberlain and whether it is justifiable to associate him with those remarks by Bush.

Mr. McCain endorsed Mr. Bush’s remarks, saying, “The president is exactly right,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/us...70Xxo/cUKwUH0A
I asked you.

Is McCain Bush?
Simply put - no, McCain is not Bush. I'm not sure I'm following the point you are making though. I am assuming you are saying that one should not apply to McCain what Bush said in the Knesset. Is that it?
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Basically, Bush did Obama a huge favour by jumping in with John McCain, it allows Obama to attack both of them in the same sentence, exploiting Bush's low approval rating, and tying him to McCain in the popular consciousness.
Also, it gets Clinton out of the way.
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Here is an interesting glimpse into how Hillay Clinton ran her campaign. There is going to be a lot of 'navel inspection' once this is all over.

here is a snippet.

"If you have no cash because you totally mismanaged the budget, you have no money to go up on TV; you're getting crushed on TV and in direct mail because Obama has so much more money--that is a huge problem. Who was looking at the money? The financial situation was a disaster. That's the reason [Howard] Paster had to come in and clean **** up."

"What went wrong?"

http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?i...3-f252e8569915
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Old 05-18-08, 05:09 AM   #6
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Obama in a word...charisma. He has it and uses it well. He seems to have a unflapable appeal to people. He also has a certain air about him of confidence. He has also recovered when being broadsided by ugliness. He has had his share of it. He is a an effective speaker and for the most part selects the correct words using them in the right context. Not to say a few things said were incorrect but that is human nature. One thing is for certain, Clinton was the apparent shoe in and he did turn the table on that story in fine fashion. Certainly Obama has made history whether he makes the White House or not. So yes, all the banter and bad press drummed up on the guy, he has always come back to win the next round.

At this point I'm still undecided and I hope the debates down the road will help me make my choice.
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