Gun battle in London Square

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

This is hardly an everyday event Subman, even you must concede that.

How many more events like this would we see if firearms were widespread throughout society?

With 4,019 of them a year over there, I beg to differ! That is more than 11 each day!

-S

PS. I forgot to add - the answer to your second question is about half of the 4,019. Since guns were taken away, it has doubled!

[Happy Times]

I consider people that are ok with these kind of laws as modern day serfs.
There always has to be balance with interests of the individual and that of the community/state. In this case the balance is that people should have the right to own guns if they register them, store them in a safe way and arent criminals.
It works here fine.

[Letum]

You can own a gun in the UK!


You just have to prove you have a legitimate use for it and don't just want it as a toy.

"Shooting people" is not a legitimate use. What ever they have done to you.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

You can own a gun in the UK!


You just have to prove you have a legitimate use for it and don't just want it as a toy.

"Shooting people" is not a legitimate use. What ever they have done to you.

Now that is hallarious! Did you not read the article? :rotfl:

-S

[CCIP]

But of course, criminals are not people. Silly me.
Let's give people both guns AND license to convict people on the spot.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by CCIP

But of course, criminals are not people. Silly me.
Let's give people both guns AND license to convict people on the spot.

Of course, it doesn't work that way in the states, but you do have the right to defend yourself from harm, as all people on this planet should have the right.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

If they allow guns in UK, football supporters will soon be history just like dinosaurs

Actually, the UK'rs have always been remarkably careful with their weaponry. When everyone was armed over there, they never shot anyone, they had way less gun violence than they do now, and it was what should have been considered a model for the world. What happened?

You guys at soccer (the correct name for it :p) games however are a bit rowdy, but that usually ends with a couple of punches, followed by a trip to the tavern and a fist full of beer.

-S

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Actually, the UK'rs have always been remarkably careful with their weaponry. When everyone was armed over there, they never shot anyone, they had way less gun violence than they do now, and it was what should have been considered a model for the world. What happened?

You guys at soccer (the correct name for it :p) games however are a bit rowdy, but that usually ends with a couple of punches, followed by a trip to the tavern and a fist full of beer.

-S

Subman I'm not sure I'm familiar with this mythical period in British History when everyone was toting guns.

[jumpy]

^^
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle2409817.ece

We are so self-congratulatory about our officially disarmed society, and so dismissive of colonial rednecks, that we have forgotten that within living memory British citizens could buy any gun – rifle, pistol, or machinegun – without any licence. When Dr Watson walked the streets of London with a revolver in his pocket, he was a perfectly ordinary Victorian or Edwardian. Charlotte Brontë recalled that her curate father fastened his watch and pocketed his pistol every morning when he got dressed; Beatrix Potter remarked on a Yorkshire country hotel where only one of the eight or nine guests was not carrying a revolver; in 1909, policemen in Tottenham borrowed at least four pistols from passers-by (and were joined by other armed citizens) when they set off in pursuit of two anarchists unwise enough to attempt an armed robbery. We now are shocked that so many ordinary people should have been carrying guns in the street; the Edwardians were shocked rather by the idea of an armed robbery.
If armed crime in London in the years before the First World War amounted to less than 2 per cent of that we suffer today, it was not simply because society then was more stable. Edwardian Britain was rocked by a series of massive strikes in which lives were lost and troops deployed, and suffragette incendiaries, anarchist bombers, Fenians, and the spectre of a revolutionary general strike made Britain then arguably a much more turbulent place than it is today. In that unstable society the impact of the widespread carrying of arms was not inflammatory, it was deterrent of violence.
As late as 1951, self-defence was the justification of three quarters of all applications for pistol licences. And in the years 1946-51 armed robbery, the most significant measure of gun crime, ran at less than two dozen incidents a year in London; today, in our disarmed society, we suffer as many every week.

[bookworm_020]

Gun Crime has decilined for the last decade here in Australia. It had been in decline before 1997 and the shooting at Port Arthur in Tasmania, but the ban on semi-automatic weapons and the gun buy back helped speed up the deciline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Ar...28Australia%29

[joegrundman]

Is your point, Subman, that if we are all armed in the UK, as you are in the US, then British gun crime will drop to US levels?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

the Edwardians were shocked rather by the idea of an armed robbery.

Well, somehow I cant picture a driveby with a car full of wig wearing men toting these:

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by joegrundman

Is your point, Subman, that if we are all armed in the UK, as you are in the US, then British gun crime will drop to US levels?

I don't need to argue with you, nor do I need to tell you anything since your history already precedes you and that will tell you more than anything I can. In the 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's when anyone that wanted to be armed could be over there, your gun crime was still historically low - half of what it is before they took your guns and things doubled (This should also tell you something since your gun crime is rising). You don't follow the US models in this area which makes me alternately think that most of you out there are very courteous and respectful.

-S

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Gun Crime has decilined for the last decade here in Australia. It had been in decline before 1997 and the shooting at Port Arthur in Tasmania, but the ban on semi-automatic weapons and the gun buy back helped speed up the deciline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Ar...28Australia%29

Why ? :hmm:

Have you ran out of aboriginal targets already ?

[STEED]

There is always gun battles in London. That's why I wear a bullet proof vest when I visit the toilet sorry London.