Invisible Threat

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

per say

What exactly does that mean? Or were you referring to the Latin "per se", which means "by itself"?

[nikimcbee]

@ subman1: Do we know reliable the Russian copies are of our AA missles? (not SAMS, we already know how well those work ) As far as I know, our air to air combat technology, training etc has totally dominated to Soviet stuff. When was the last time a US pilot was shot down in air to air combat? Vietnam, I think. In 91, the name of the game for the Iraqi airforce was "run for your lives."

Did the Serb airforce even show up for Kosovo?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

@ subman1: Do we know reliable the Russian copies are of our AA missles? (not SAMS, we already know how well those work ) As far as I know, our air to air combat technology, training etc has totally dominated to Soviet stuff. When was the last time a US pilot was shot down in air to air combat? Vietnam, I think. In 91, the name of the game for the Iraqi airforce was "run for your lives."

Did the Serb airforce even show up for Kosovo?

I beleive a MiG-29 made the first kill of the war. Not sure though. Let me look.

-S

PS. Here is something saying the same thing - http://jrv127.tripod.com/nato.html

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I beleive a MiG-29 made the first kill of the war. Not sure though. Let me look.

-S

PS. Here is something saying the same thing - http://jrv127.tripod.com/nato.html

This is a wee bit more authoritative than some Yugoslavian kid's wesbite:
http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/inde...d=37&Itemid=47
That USN pilot who was supposedly captured by the Iraqis was the first to get shot down, by a MiG-25. Several more may have been made, but nobody is really sure.

PD

PS, how can you consider that a decent source SUBMAN when on the front page is posted:

This is not the website of the squadron of heroic pilots of the Yugoslav Air Force like Nebojša Nikolić, Zoran Radosavljević, Slobodan Perić and all the other pilots of the 127th squadron of the YuAF, but rather the website of a squadron of cyberpilots who fly on the flight simulator "Jane's Fighters Anthology" on the internet. Although it's not the same thing, we dedicate each of our victories to the Heroic pilots of the YuAF who fought bravely to defend Yugoslavia. Cheers!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

PS, how can you consider that a decent source SUBMAN when on the front page is posted:

Trust me - just like you I am skepticle!

-S

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Trust me - just like you I am skepticle!

-S

You mean, you don't trust some Serbian kid with internet access:rotfl: .

All those linked sights were a great read. So much for the sub par soviet technology. The stuff about the SU-30 was pretty interesting to. How about this for a new aviation scandal:

USAF dumps all of the US manufactuers for Sukhoi .

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Did the Serb airforce even show up for Kosovo?

Yes. The Dutch got their first kill since WWII on a MiG-29.
http://www.janes.com/defence/news/ko...401_01_n.shtml

There is also a GREAT read here written by a USAF F-15C pilot who scored:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/arc...hp?t-4653.html
Scroll down to the fourth post.

A more complete list of Yugo war A2A kills:
http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/inde...d=48&Itemid=47

PD