Poll: Obama vs Clinton on remaining pledged delegates

geetrue · 03-24-08, 10:31 AM

Obama isn't on the ticket yet, but John McCain is ... if Hillary a contoversial candidate as she is can run a close race against Obama what can McCain do?

More from the link above: Democrats voting for McCain

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And what has to be alarming for Democratic Party leaders, some supporters of Obama and Clinton appear to be so angry with the other contender that they say they will vote for McCain if their candidate doesn't make the 2008 presidential ballet.

"I think I'd have to vote for McCain. I'm just not a Barack Obama fan," one Clinton supporter said to CTV News.

"I'd have a hard time voting for Hillary Clinton," says an Obama supporter.

Obama has the edge -in delegates, money and big-name support -- but that doesn't seem to dissuade Clinton. It's unlikely she will walk away from this fight and this is one battle that might not be decided until June.

From now until then McCain won't need to spend much time tearing down his potential opponents - they'll be doing that for him.

ReallyDedPoet · 03-24-08, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

From now until then McCain won't need to spend much time tearing down his potential opponents - they'll be doing that for him.

This probably will happen, however McCain will have his own issues to deal with, things that may not directly be his, however he now inherits them, the economy, IRAQ, etc.....in other words the Bush baggage.

RDP

Von Tonner · 03-25-08, 09:40 AM

And now we have Tuzla-gate.

Hillary Clinton explains:
"Now let me tell you what I can remember, OK -- because what I was told was that we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke -- I didn't say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire -- that's not what I was told. I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I made a -- I took her stuff and then I left, Now that's my memory of it."

Misspoke, misspeak is defined as pronouncing a word or phrase incorrectly. Not creating an imaginery scene or situation. Watching the rerun of her standing at the podium telling her story I listened carefully to hear if any word or phrase fitted that definition. No, "sniper fire" was pronounced correctly, so was "running with our heads down" an acceptable phrase. She even affirmed her account of the event not once but twice at the end.

Not even her most ardent supporter can defend the claim that her original speech at the podium was a calculated and deliberate lie to support her inflated claim at been the most qualified to be commander in chief from day one.

This is an insult not only to the intelligence of every American but a slight on McCain and all who have served their country in conflict. McCain is a man who has been in an ACTUAL war zone, had his arms brocken repeatedly in interrogation while holding onto his sanity and silence in defence of his country and this woman, in her greed for power, tries to lie her way into that sacred sanctity of brave men and women who have and still do, live under hostile fire in defence of their country. I wonder how all those war vets who recently supported her feel now. Cheated I would think.

And what does this say about those senior superdelegates such as Dean, Edwards, Al Gore et al. They could come out in mass and put an end to this tomorrow. Their silence is becoming deafining.

In the exit polls in Missisisippi on the question: Is Clinton honest and trustworthy 52% said yes and 48% said no. On the 18th March in a gallup poll the same question was put. 44% yes and 56% said no. After this lie this figure will drop even further which begs these two questions.

1) Can the Democratic Party continue to sit on the side lines while this woman loses credibility among the American people?
2) Can they argue that the perception of honesty and trustworthyness do not count for squat in electing a candidate, be it a nominee or president?

If not, then for the love of God dump this woman now before this contest becomes more farcial than it already is.

TDK1044 · 03-25-08, 11:18 AM

Both Clintons seem to have a problem defining simple words in the English language. I find it amusing that one denies having had a sexual relationship with a Whitehouse intern, and struggles to define the word 'alone', while the other one is busy dodging imaginary sniper fire.

They should write a joint memoirs book called 'Incoming'.

Von Tonner · 03-25-08, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Both Clintons seem to have a problem defining simple words in the English language. I find it amusing that one denies having had a sexual relationship with a Whitehouse intern, and struggles to define the word 'alone', while the other one is busy dodging imaginary sniper fire.

Ain't that the truth.

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

They should write a joint memoirs book called 'Incoming'.

That is hilarious if I read that you are referring to Monica and her BJ

sonar732 · 03-26-08, 09:26 PM

A good interview on Politico.com!

Democrats are increasingly nervous about their party’s protracted nomination fight, and some prominent figures are publicly warning that the party needs to act fast to avoid disaster.

Chief among these voices is Phil Bredesen, the two-term governor of Tennessee who is uncommitted to either Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) or Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

In an interview this week with Politico, Bredesen said flatly that if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House.

geetrue · 03-26-08, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Can the Democratic Party continue to sit on the side lines while this woman loses credibility among the American people?
2) Can they argue that the perception of honesty and trustworthyness do not count for squat in electing a candidate, be it a nominee or president?

I don't think so ... that was a very bad mistake. I wouldn't accept that behaviour from a Mayor, Govenor, Congressman or a Senator, much less a future president.

Her mind must be double to know that that story she told never happened.

I've told a few sea stories in my day, but it was always with a lite heart thinking what the heck I heard it from someone else maybe it's true.

That lady is a cucko cucko bird ... unless a miracle happens she is destined for defeat.

Sea Demon · 03-27-08, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732

In an interview this week with Politico, Bredesen said flatly that if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House.

And now, we have Joe Klein saying they should give the nomination to Al Gore.

Think they're worried?

View Poll Results: Poll: Obama vs Clinton on remaining pledged delegates
Clinton will close to within 50 on Obama lead	3	8.33%
Clinton will overtake Obama lead	6	16.67%
Obama will increase lead	27	75.00%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

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TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Both Clintons seem to have a problem defining simple words in the English language. I find it amusing that one denies having had a sexual relationship with a Whitehouse intern, and struggles to define the word 'alone', while the other one is busy dodging imaginary sniper fire. They should write a joint memoirs book called 'Incoming'. Last edited by TDK1044; 03-25-08 at 12:39 PM.

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03-25-08, 09:40 AM	#3
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	And now we have Tuzla-gate. Hillary Clinton explains: "Now let me tell you what I can remember, OK -- because what I was told was that we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke -- I didn't say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire -- that's not what I was told. I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I made a -- I took her stuff and then I left, Now that's my memory of it." Misspoke, misspeak is defined as pronouncing a word or phrase incorrectly. Not creating an imaginery scene or situation. Watching the rerun of her standing at the podium telling her story I listened carefully to hear if any word or phrase fitted that definition. No, "sniper fire" was pronounced correctly, so was "running with our heads down" an acceptable phrase. She even affirmed her account of the event not once but twice at the end. Not even her most ardent supporter can defend the claim that her original speech at the podium was a calculated and deliberate lie to support her inflated claim at been the most qualified to be commander in chief from day one. This is an insult not only to the intelligence of every American but a slight on McCain and all who have served their country in conflict. McCain is a man who has been in an ACTUAL war zone, had his arms brocken repeatedly in interrogation while holding onto his sanity and silence in defence of his country and this woman, in her greed for power, tries to lie her way into that sacred sanctity of brave men and women who have and still do, live under hostile fire in defence of their country. I wonder how all those war vets who recently supported her feel now. Cheated I would think. And what does this say about those senior superdelegates such as Dean, Edwards, Al Gore et al. They could come out in mass and put an end to this tomorrow. Their silence is becoming deafining. In the exit polls in Missisisippi on the question: Is Clinton honest and trustworthy 52% said yes and 48% said no. On the 18th March in a gallup poll the same question was put. 44% yes and 56% said no. After this lie this figure will drop even further which begs these two questions. 1) Can the Democratic Party continue to sit on the side lines while this woman loses credibility among the American people? 2) Can they argue that the perception of honesty and trustworthyness do not count for squat in electing a candidate, be it a nominee or president? If not, then for the love of God dump this woman now before this contest becomes more farcial than it already is.

03-26-08, 09:26 PM	#6
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	A good interview on Politico.com! Democrats are increasingly nervous about their party’s protracted nomination fight, and some prominent figures are publicly warning that the party needs to act fast to avoid disaster. Chief among these voices is Phil Bredesen, the two-term governor of Tennessee who is uncommitted to either Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) or Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). In an interview this week with Politico, Bredesen said flatly that if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House.