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Penelope_Grey · 03-23-08, 01:30 PM

If I had to conjecture, I would put it down to one of the following... 1. they can see your periscope. or 2. they can actually see your sub.

This happened to me once in a fleet boat while attacking a Japanese task force, on a clear clear day if you are close enough to the surface they will attack you because they can see your conning tower/deck plates. I had the Japanese escorts machine gunning into the water to try and get me. I kid you not.

SH4 appears to have an allowance to spot you while at shallow depth, something SH3 does not have.

hector · 03-23-08, 01:48 PM

Hi PG
Thanks for your input on this one.While i understand what you are saying,the T3 Tanker started evasive action at just over 9000yards which seems a bit far to see me under the water.I still think i am being heard as all seems fine if i stay at "ahead one third" speed or "silent running" but i will watch some more and see what happens

Thanks,

Hector

Fincuan · 03-23-08, 01:58 PM

Neither T3s or Liberty ships have sonar at any stage of the war and even Bungo Pete can't hear you from 9000 yards away, so you did nothing wrong

At best they usually pick you up on their hydrophones from about 4-5 km away, and that's when going flank. The ships' sensors are defined in Data/Sea/shipname/shipname.sns. It might look for example like this(note that this ship receives a better hydrophone in January 1944):

Code:

[Sensor 1]
NodeName=O01
LinkName=M_Visual
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 2]
NodeName=H01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19421001

[Sensor 3]
NodeName=H01
LinkName=Type3-M1P
StartDate=19421001
EndDate=19441101

[Sensor 4]
NodeName=H01
LinkName=Type3-M2P
StartDate=19441101
EndDate=19451201

Hydrophone is node H01. When you replace the bold parts(merchants seem to have Type3-M1P or M2P) with NULL, no more hydrophone. Alternatively, and only if you use TMO 1.5, I could put my files up for download since I've already modded my merchants. They won't work without TMO because they use some of the mod's sensors.

hector · 03-23-08, 02:29 PM

Fincuan,
Thanks for that great info and i will have a look through those tomorrow and hope i can work some magic with notepad.Thanks also for the alternative help but i dont use TMO 1.5.

Thanks mate

Hector

03-23-08, 01:30 PM	#1
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If I had to conjecture, I would put it down to one of the following... 1. they can see your periscope. or 2. they can actually see your sub. This happened to me once in a fleet boat while attacking a Japanese task force, on a clear clear day if you are close enough to the surface they will attack you because they can see your conning tower/deck plates. I had the Japanese escorts machine gunning into the water to try and get me. I kid you not. SH4 appears to have an allowance to spot you while at shallow depth, something SH3 does not have. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

03-23-08, 01:58 PM	#3
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Neither T3s or Liberty ships have sonar at any stage of the war and even Bungo Pete can't hear you from 9000 yards away, so you did nothing wrong At best they usually pick you up on their hydrophones from about 4-5 km away, and that's when going flank. The ships' sensors are defined in Data/Sea/shipname/shipname.sns. It might look for example like this(note that this ship receives a better hydrophone in January 1944): Code: [Sensor 1] NodeName=O01 LinkName=M_Visual StartDate=19380101 EndDate=19451231 [Sensor 2] NodeName=H01 LinkName=NULL StartDate=19380101 EndDate=19421001 [Sensor 3] NodeName=H01 LinkName=Type3-M1P StartDate=19421001 EndDate=19441101 [Sensor 4] NodeName=H01 LinkName=Type3-M2P StartDate=19441101 EndDate=19451201 Hydrophone is node H01. When you replace the bold parts(merchants seem to have Type3-M1P or M2P) with NULL, no more hydrophone. Alternatively, and only if you use TMO 1.5, I could put my files up for download since I've already modded my merchants. They won't work without TMO because they use some of the mod's sensors.

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03-23-08, 01:48 PM	#2
hector Seaman Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 39 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	Hi PG Thanks for your input on this one.While i understand what you are saying,the T3 Tanker started evasive action at just over 9000yards which seems a bit far to see me under the water.I still think i am being heard as all seems fine if i stay at "ahead one third" speed or "silent running" but i will watch some more and see what happens Thanks, Hector

03-23-08, 02:29 PM	#4
hector Seaman Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 39 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	Fincuan, Thanks for that great info and i will have a look through those tomorrow and hope i can work some magic with notepad.Thanks also for the alternative help but i dont use TMO 1.5. Thanks mate Hector