[WIP]Operation Monsun

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Paajtor

I could not have drooled it better myself

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by nautilus42

In your last Release RSRDC_V355_for_V15 I found i.e. this Entries in the Names.cfg:

wrong entry: KyushuQ1W1=Kyushu Q1W1 correct Entry =Q1W1=Kyushu Q1W1


FBBeaufighter=Beaufighter Fighter Bomber
FBMosquito=Mosquito Fighter Bomber
FBMosquitoTsetse=Mosquito-Tsetse Fighter Bomber
SSunderland=Sunderland Patrol Plane
TBAvenger=Avenger Torpedo Bomber

DDNClass=N Class Destroyer
DDWmod=Admiralty Mod. Destroyer
CLBellona=Bellona Light Cruiser
CVIllustrious=Illustrious Fleet Carrier=
CVImplacable=Implacable Fleet Carrier
DDCClass=C Class Destroyer
DDCodrington=Codrington Class Destroyer
DDLClass=L Class Destroyer
DDMClass=M Class Destroyer
DDQClass=Q Class Destroyer
DDSClass=S Class Destroyer

but there arent any Units in the Data/Sea-Folder or Air-Folder, that`s makes me a little confused. I always searching for this Units but I can`t find them: therefore I think these are unnecceseries Entries! You understand what I mean?

Since this thread has "nothing to do" with RSRDC, why are you posting this here ?

Also I went over this with you once before.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=437

As I stated then and will state now these entries have "no effect" no game play. If you don't like them, you can remove them from your download without an negative effects

[rascal101]

Hi to you and god speed with your project, SH4 and the new mod deserves to be taken seriously.

I wonder if you have heared of a brilliant book that describes the exploits of U862 under Kapitanleutnant Heinrich Timm, the book is called U-Boat Far From Home by David Stevens ISBN 1864482672 published by Allen & Unwin

The book is very interesting as its based on the U862 which is the only boat to make it as far as the east coast of New Zealand and therefore the only Monsun boat to achieve anything significant.

Apart from a really interesting accounts of just how unlikely a Monsun boat was to actually make it to the far east, the book aslo contains invaluable tables and charts and notes covering the departure, arrival, attacks and sinking or survival of around 69 Ubots who made, or tried to make the journey

I hope this information might be of interest

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

Operation Monsun

This mode will be a “MAJOR” overhaul to the German Campaign in the same style of RSRDC. The sources are as follows:

C-in-C German Navy 2. Sk1./B.d.U. Op. Nr. Ckdos. 3495 A1

10.June 1943.

Operational Order "Monsoon"

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30326.htm

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Monsun boats

U-boats in the Indian Ocean and the Far East

by Marcin Jedrzejewski

http://www.uboat.net/ops/monsun.htm

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http://ubootwaffe.net/index.html

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Convoy Map

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30326ChartK.htm

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Currently about 75% complete and will release it when it is ready. Also will it be compatible with TM / RFB? Yes

[Fish40]

And here's something which was provided by one of the guys from the UBI forums to watch in the mean time:

[JScones]

Nice.

Have you seen the Monsun addition in GWX? I researched that extensively over a three month period, if not longer. It adds pretty much all British Eastern Fleet movements, USN/RAN TF.74, Operations Jaywick and Rimau, Japanese Reconnaissance of Australia (the little known Japanese "invasion" of WA), The Destruction of the Brake and the Charlotte Schliemann, Operation Diplomat, Operation Cockpit, Operation Crimson, Australian minesweeping and ASW operations, Operation Interlude, Operation King II, Operations Lightning and Matador, Operations Meridian I and Meridian II and, of course, the hunt for U862. All additions are based on actual RAN/RAAF data with the only variance in SH3 implementation being related to model availability (or lack thereof). BBW did a *brilliant* job translating all this data into the mis files.

Anyway, when I researched the theatre I relied on numerous non-online sources.

For the German POV, I relied a lot on "Hitler's Grey Wolves: U-boats in the Indian Ocean". It paints a good picture on the theatre including photos, mainly of Penang but also covers Singapore, Kobe and the DEI bases.

For the Allied POV, I relied extensively on both the offical RAN and official RAAF histories - no other references come close in detailing Allied involvement in the Indian Ocean. Plus I had access to a number of RAN historians who answered some of the more curly questions for me.

I might still have all my research notes, which include actual allied convoy routes and copies of official documents that dictate very specific convoy rules - ie size, speed, escort composition, dates etc etc.

Whilst a lot of my research is captured in GWX, a lot isn't. What GWX doesn't capture are the correct convoy routes and convoy rules (ie those mentioned above). I found those around the time I left the GWX team, and whilst I sent them on to the team, I don't think they've ever been incorporated.

So...I have no problem providing you all my research notes if a) you want them and b) I can find them. You can then do with them what you want.

Might just save you some time reinventing the wheel.

[JScones]

To explain what I mean by documents detailing rules, here's a snippet of some of the stuff I have - this covers the Australian coastal convoy system.

On 4th June [1942] the Naval Board suspended merchant ship sailings from all ports between Adelaide and Brisbane, excepting Adelaide-Melbourne and Melbourne-Tasmania traffic. Coastal convoys were instituted on 8th June with the sailing of convoy "CO.1" (Newcastle-Melbourne) of nine ships escorted by H.M.A. Ships Arunta and Kalgoorlie, and convoy "GP.1" (Sydney-Brisbane) of five ships escorted by U .S .S . Selfridge' and H.M.A.S. Rockhampton. In brief, the convoy system then instituted was as follows. On the main coastal routes ships of over 1,200 tons and less than 12 knots were sailed in convoys "CO" (Newcastle-Melbourne) and "OC" (Melbourne-Newcastle); "PG" (Brisbane-Sydney) and "GP" (Sydney-Brisbane). With the exception of "OC" convoys, all had a minimum of two anti-submarine escorts, and anti-submarine air cover was provided*. Ships of less than 1,200 tons sailed independently on inshore routes, and ships faster than 12 knots also sailed independently. All ships sailing independently were instructed to zigzag when within 200 miles of the coast except when navigating inside the Barrier Reef. Ships of less than 12 knots east-bound trans-Tasman from Sydney were escorted in convoy for 200 miles from the New South Wales coast; those over 12 knots sailed independently. Ships under 12 knots east-bound trans-Tasman from Melbourne proceeded in "OC" convoys until north of latitude 36 degrees 30 minutes south, thence on independent routes; those of over 12 knots sailed independently west and south of Tasmania.

*Initial escort vessels allocated were: Melbourne—HMAS Moresby; Sydney—HMA Ships Bingera, Doomba, Rockhampton, Yandra, Whyalla, Kybra, Arunta, Kalgoorlie, and HMIS Bombay; Brisbane—two destroyers nominated by C.T .F. 44. There were other convoy designations, i.e.: "LQ" Brisbane-Gladstone; "S QL" Gladstone - Brisbane; "TD" Thursday Island-Darwin; "DT " Darwin-Thursday Island; BV" Brisbane - Townsville; "VB" Townsville-Brisbane; "TN" Townsville-New Guinea; "NT" New Guinea - Townsville. The foregoing list does not include various short-term coastal series. During 1942 a total of 1,672 ships were included in 252 convoys, these being as follows with numbers of convoys and ships respectively following convoy designations: "OC " convoys, 57-533; "CO" convoys, 58-605; "GP" convoys, 29-152; "PG" convoys, 29-99; Queensland coastal, 38-116; mainland-New Guinea, 41-167.

And further:

Admiral Royle, at the Advisory War Council meeting of 9th February [1943], said that if the submarine position on the Australian coast became acute, the number of surface escorts per convoy would have to be increased by decreasing the number of convoys. This was now done, and on 13th May he told the Council that, following representations by the Shipping Control Board and the Department of Commerce, it had been decided to revert to double convoys, each of which would be provided with four escort vessels, "the maximum protection that could be provided with present resources".

I should stress that prior to this date convoys were quite lightly protected for a number of obvious reasons.

Escorted convoys in the Persian region were instituted in Sep 1942 and in the sub-continental region in Sep 1943, after the Allies learnt of the U-boat incursion. Although...

Admiral Somerville thereupon discontinued convoys from 12th December [1943], with the exception of Bombay-Colombo and Colombo-Calcutta sailings.

It's interesting to read the Allied side of the Monsun operation - the data gathering/intelligence and response, of which the above is merely a short snippet.

This is all prolly way too much detail for what you had in mind, but it's an indication of how far you can go...and this doesn't even scratch the surface.

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by JScones

Nice.

Have you seen the Monsun addition in GWX? I researched that extensively over a three month period, if not longer. It adds pretty much all British Eastern Fleet movements, USN/RAN TF.74, Operations Jaywick and Rimau, Japanese Reconnaissance of Australia (the little known Japanese "invasion" of WA), The Destruction of the Brake and the Charlotte Schliemann, Operation Diplomat, Operation Cockpit, Operation Crimson, Australian minesweeping and ASW operations, Operation Interlude, Operation King II, Operations Lightning and Matador, Operations Meridian I and Meridian II and, of course, the hunt for U862. All additions are based on actual RAN/RAAF data with the only variance in SH3 implementation being related to model availability (or lack thereof). BBW did a *brilliant* job translating all this data into the mis files.

I'm well aware of GWX, but have no plans to use their files.

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

I'm well aware of GWX, but have no plans to use their files.

He's not talking about using the GWX files but rather using JScones's notes, which to me sound like they are a very valuable source.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

He's not talking about using the GWX files but rather using JScones's notes, which to me sound like they are a very valuable source.

Correct - in case it's unclear to anyone I was certainly not suggesting using any existing files from any mod - my reference to GWX was simply to highlight an example of where the research was implemented.

[lurker_hlb3]

Operation Monsun

(partial readme)

“Operation Monsun” (OM) will present a semi-historical recreation of the deployment of German U-Boats to the Far East. The approach used to create this mod is along the same lines as RSRDC, give the SH4 users as close to historical immersion as can be made within the limits of Silent Hunter 4. To accomplish this goal a major rewrite to all files related to the U-Boat Campaign was accomplished, and provides the following:

-Initial deployment of U-boats from Lorient, France, 15 July 43 to 30 Sept 43, in which you must transit to the Indian Ocean, conduct a combat patrol in one of the same areas used by units enroute to Penang.
-From 1 Oct 43 to 30 Aug 44, you will operate out of Penang, Malaysia, conducting combat operations traditional OpAreas of the Northern/Western IO.
-After the decision to move the U-Boat home base from Penang, operations will be conducted from Batavia starting on 1 Sept 44 through the remainder of the war.

When starting up a U-Boat campaign, you’re going to notice the following

-There are no “upgrades” any kind. Why? There were no “upgrades” for any of the real U-Boats that deployed to the IO.
-You will not see any “fantasy” Type XVIII U-Boats.
-You will not see any “fantasy” special operations missions.
-You will not see any “fantasy” IJN Task Force operations in the IO.
-You will see that your Type IXD2 is provided with FuMO 61 Radar and FuMB 1 ESM equipment. This is not 100% historical, but to provide the player with a better game play experience. You will also only have G7A and G7E torpedoes to use also.
-You will get the uses of the Fw200’s of III/KG40 and the JU290’s of 1./FAGr. 5 to “scout” the way across the Bay of Biscay when you leave Lorient. You also get to use the two Ar196’s from the base at Penang. These Ar196’s are from German Commerce Raider that deployed to the IO early in the war. You will also get to use IJN air assets that are based in Batavia.
-You will see semi-historical convoy and single merchant shipping routes.
-You get “dogged” by RAF Coastal Command search aircraft as you attempt to cross the “Bay of Biscay. You’re going to have to worry about all the “real world” Coastal Command bases that are in the IO.
-You will not see an “arcade shooting gallery” when you go on patrol. What you’re going to have to use is the “real intelligence” briefings and maps that will be provided with OM to find the targets. ( see first post )
-Your going to see the Eastern/British Fleet return to the IO in early 1944 and start conducting operations in your area, i.e. Operation COCKPIT, TRANSOM, CRIMSON, MILLET, Outflank, LENTIL, Meridian I/II just to name a few.




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This mod will be released after beta testing

[Ducimus]

Damn lurker, that is sounding like one helluva good job!

[linerkiller]

Sounds VERY good...Also the fantasy 1944 Hilfskreuzern will need an complete elimination

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by linerkiller

Sounds VERY good...Also the fantasy 1944 Hilfskreuzern will need an complete elimination

They have already been removed

[JScones]

Looks good.

I finally tracked down my copy of the WWII main convoy routes map. It includes both Allied and known Axis (Japanese) shipping routes in both the Indian and Pacific oceans. Let me know if you still wish a copy. It comes from a book detailing the history of the five RAAF "Submarine Hunter" Squadrons. A great reference on the SE Asian submarine war (both German and Japanese) from the Allied perspective with brilliant piccies, even a few from the bridge of I-29 as it launches an E14Y1.

I'll include a log of actual convoy movements including convoy names, dates, places and composition...if I can find where I put it. :hmm:

Anyway... at the risk of being pedantic, Malaysia didn't exist until 1963. And is it possible to change the names of Singapore, Batavia and Soerabaja to their Axis names of Syonan-to, Jakarta and Surabaya when occupied? This would make it more authentic.

You’re going to have to worry about all the “real world” Coastal Command bases that are in the IO.

At the risk of spoiling there shouldn't be much to worry about really.

No RAF down Australia way (apart from a squadron of Spits in Darwin that were allocated other tasks). Very stretched RAAF resources meaning 4 hour patrol rotations during daylight of usually one or two Ansons or Hudsons. Alternating with the occassional Cat and 'Fisher over on the east due to the seaplane bases at Rathmines (training) and up Bowen way. But certainly nothing as ferocious as Biscay come 1943. Heck, even our Cats still had WWI guns in the bubbles!

Over Africa way you had a training Squadron in Rhodesia and, IIRC, two "Home Defence" Squadrons in South Africa.

But this is beside the point, as it is what you've done sounds like a great improvement to the game.

[tearsofwrath]

Dear lurker_hlb3,

thank you for all the great work you put into your modfile. it makes the game so much better. realistic campaigns, missions and shipping routes and so much more. thank you so much for it. if you manage to make half a good monsoon campaign in your newest product, people have a choice between two great options they can play. dont let anyone get to you with moronic comments. the majority knows and appreciates what you do!

thx again!