Did all the US sub commanders go to USNA?

BH · 02-22-08, 12:30 AM

I read where there was plenty of Non-USNA officers such as ensigns. The book take her deep mentions ensign and LT( jr) grads of U of Michigan, Holy Cross California and Oklahoma, but it interesting that especially compared with the German Navy, command was pretty much closed unless you were one of the chosen few to attend the Academy. It was not especially difficult at all in the german navy to obtain command. There is cases of foreign Volunteers taking command. I think there was even German commander who was born in New York, who was ironically killed by an American Liberators depth charge.

McBeck · 02-22-08, 04:21 AM

Anybody knows how to purchase Silent Victory through Amazon.co.uk, supporting Subsim? There used to be a link to the UK Amazon, but I cant seem to find it anymore

Sailor Steve · 02-22-08, 06:21 AM

At the bottom of this page, click on 'Subsim'. That will take you to the main page. On the right is a menu. Click on 'Game Store'. The Amazon link is the first thing you'll see.

BH · 06-12-08, 10:34 AM

Here is some additional information about this issue. At the end of 1944 when there was not many qualified USNA grads left to take command of the ships. By this time in the war most of the enlisted crew and executive officers were allmost entirely made of reservist. Apparently Admerial Lockwood(A USNA graduate) felt that only a UNSA could handle command. All that changed when Admiral Nimitz ordered Admiral Lockwood to select potiental officers from the reserve for command. Admerial Lockwood selected 11 of which 7 officers were able to take command before the war ended. While the US Submarine force was outstanding, I wonder how many experienced, qualified reservists were passed over because Admerial Lockwood only wanted USNA alums at command.

Feltan · 06-12-08, 01:53 PM

In all fairness to Admiral Lockwood, the naval reserve training program in the 1930's in no way represented what currently happens. While on the face of it, the policy seems very "old boy" and like a club -- but there was rationale, especially early in the war.

I recently read a passage, I believe from "Thunder Below," which had a naval reserve officer report for duty on an S boat. The officer in question had never been on a ship, and in fact had never seen an ocean before his first assignment.

Regards,
Feltan

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02-22-08, 12:30 AM	#1
BH Loader Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 89 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	I read where there was plenty of Non-USNA officers such as ensigns. The book take her deep mentions ensign and LT( jr) grads of U of Michigan, Holy Cross California and Oklahoma, but it interesting that especially compared with the German Navy, command was pretty much closed unless you were one of the chosen few to attend the Academy. It was not especially difficult at all in the german navy to obtain command. There is cases of foreign Volunteers taking command. I think there was even German commander who was born in New York, who was ironically killed by an American Liberators depth charge.

06-12-08, 10:34 AM	#4
BH Loader Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 89 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Here is some additional information about this issue. At the end of 1944 when there was not many qualified USNA grads left to take command of the ships. By this time in the war most of the enlisted crew and executive officers were allmost entirely made of reservist. Apparently Admerial Lockwood(A USNA graduate) felt that only a UNSA could handle command. All that changed when Admiral Nimitz ordered Admiral Lockwood to select potiental officers from the reserve for command. Admerial Lockwood selected 11 of which 7 officers were able to take command before the war ended. While the US Submarine force was outstanding, I wonder how many experienced, qualified reservists were passed over because Admerial Lockwood only wanted USNA alums at command.

06-12-08, 01:53 PM	#5
Feltan Watch Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 28 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In all fairness to Admiral Lockwood, the naval reserve training program in the 1930's in no way represented what currently happens. While on the face of it, the policy seems very "old boy" and like a club -- but there was rationale, especially early in the war. I recently read a passage, I believe from "Thunder Below," which had a naval reserve officer report for duty on an S boat. The officer in question had never been on a ship, and in fact had never seen an ocean before his first assignment. Regards, Feltan