Can't Win for losing/US Embassy In Belgrade

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Happy Times can you confirm that Canada will not recognize independence??

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

Happy Times can you confirm that Canada will not recognize independence??

Canada haven't made an official decision public yet. I would be surprised if they did not going on recent form over the last decade or so. Ukraine, Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia to name but four which Canada was quick to recognize independance.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i think canada will take their time with this one ( ie Quebec nationalism in the 90s) Canada will tread lightly because if they recognize independence of Kosovo, then Quebec will have an excuse to declare independence without a referendum. and as a canadian i dont want Quebec to seperate.

[Etienne]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

i think canada will take their time with this one ( ie Quebec nationalism in the 90s) Canada will tread lightly because if they recognize independence of Kosovo, then Quebec will have an excuse to declare independence without a referendum. and as a canadian i dont want Quebec to seperate.

Nobody ever talked about Quebec declaring independence without a referendum. That would, indeed, be illegal and unjustified. Furthermore, the government in Quebec is a Liberal Party minority government, with an ADQ opposition. Neither of these parties are independentists. (Although the ADQ kinds of waffles on the subject). Do you actually watch the news?

The matter is that for years, Canada has insisted that it would not have to recognize the independence of Quebec if it was declared unilaterally (IE, after a referendum). Kosovo just created a precedent.

It won't happen for a good long while, anyway, since the PQ is a wreck right now.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

right now at this min, id rather think the US army would not do as good as you might think..... they barely have any reserves.. the civilian population wont let a draft happen.. and the serb population fit for military service are signing up in record numbers ever since kosovo decided to split... we are more then willing to fight even though we are at a disatvantage.. keep in mind we have up to 2million fit for military service and what ruled out russia sending a few crates of weapons or ammo??.....:hmm:

[sonar732]

Where's the popcorn?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i ran out i gotta go buy some soon... damm popcorn machine died on me again...

[Skybird]

The violent outburst by Milosevic was in the gbeginning of the modern events.

Since then, the EU decided to fight a rogue guy - milosevic - by picking a rogue ally (Albanians, UCK). And just some years ago the chief of the Kosovo government - was labelled a terrorist by the US, and the UCK rated as a terror organization.

The EU then found itself in a no win-no win situation it had created itself.

Fact is nobody in the Eu wants any more new members - and that is more than true for Kosovo which means only investement, no returns whatever. Recognizing it also is in explicit violation of a UN resolution ruling for the serbian inegrity of what was left of Yugoslavia at that time, and it encourages separatist movements that some EU members do not want to encourage. But the carrot has been held in front of their "partners" since years.

So for the EU the situation currently is unsatisfactory in every way, the Us got their territory to build their damn pipeline, while the Eu is left with the question why once again it took a much greater bite than it could swallow.

Will it stop the EU acting like fools? Hardly. More outspurts of famntastic words is to be expected of how nice and well it all is. Or will be. Or is hoped it will become. One day, maybe, eventually.

Considering all these factors, all sides got what they deserved: the serbs lost what they tried to keep by violence and supiession, the Albanians got independence that means nothing since they are a totally dependant asylum for the poor and are doomed to face a hard wakeup soon without any bright future to come (which will cost them miseably), the EU got a couple of more problems and contradictions in which it entangled itself in, the russians lost influence and strategic territory for the pipeline of the West that will compete with their own ambition to make europe dependant of their russian oil and gas ressources, and America - well, at first glance America is the only winner here: it got the ground for the pipeline freed from russian influence, and it has weakened the foreign political rival that europe is by transplanting a never healing centre of disruptions into the EU and made it comply with US demands. delivering Russia another blow in it's international influence may cheer up the egos at home, but in the long run it probably will not prove to have been a wise move, since Rthe Russians are needed in varuious issue in the UN council - and that they give that support easily now can be doubted. So even the gain for the americans has its price.

Dumm gelaufen. My sympathy is extremely limited for all sides.