Stick with my VIIC or get a IXC?

[danurve]

But just right now I am so fed up with it!

I mean I raid a convoy and as the pesky escort seems to love me so much I give them back something... a small part of my boat...

Grayson02sept1980; If that is the case You are doing something wrong. Do you honestly think a bigger boat with more torpedoes is going to fix that for you?:rotfl:
Geeezze. I see the IX fans jumping on this bandwagon probably not reading your first post through. I have read some jazz here before, .

[Penelope_Grey]

The type IX vs type VII debate is as old as the hills! Both have strengths the other does not have.

example

VII:
harder to detect, smaller profile
faster dives in an emergency situation saving the boat from damage.
deeper diving
better underwater range
harder to hit when attacked by aircraft.

IX:
Much more fuel, more possibilities
larger payload of torpedoes
more powerful deck gun
an extra aft tube
top speed surfaced.

the type IX is intended to be a heavy hitter, its a plodder basically, and it can enable you to potentially sink more targets.

The type VII is more of a fast attack, get in fire it off, get out. Much more suited to convoy operations than the type IX is.

I personally prefer the type IX's for the extra fuel and weapons. If you use them right they can be devastating, but for gods sake don't jump into your type IXC and expect VIIC performances because you won't get it.

Type VII's are better in terms of submerged performance, a good balance of firepower and stealth, type IX's tend to lend themselves more to firepower than stealth in the grander scheme of things. But that does not mean they are not sneaky, I've attacked convoys in my IXC on the surface, and got away on the surface, they can be stealthy in the right circumstances.

They can't dive as deep or stay down as long as a VII can but its up to you, if you want a boat that can dive like a monster, and better at evading escorts the VII is your boat, if you want raw firepower and a "go anywhere" feel, the IX is for you.

[nikbear]

I tried a convoy attack in my TypeIXD2 not recommended,it was going swimingly till I had to crash dive to evade the last remaining escort(It was 1944 by the way)the old clunking bus just took so long to get deep and when it got there it handled like a drunk hippo in a bath of treacle,I was easy to locate and the end was never in doubt I'm still gutted I broke my golden rule with typeIX's in the late war period,Leave convoys alone!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Go with the Ocean Workhorse, the VIIC


RDP

[STEED]

Makes me laugh this question, try them all.

Screw advice get stuck in to all of them.

[Jimbuna]

Very much a IX Kaleun myself..........Personally speaking, I hang on to the B type until the D2 becomes available

[NealT]

Take the one you can survive in.....

[Venatore]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Go with the Ocean Workhorse, the VIIC RDP

In the end its your choice, but for me when I play a military game I research the hell out of the asset that I will be using.

For example:

In IL2-46 I will always fly the ME109 over a Spitfire, many will think this is suicide, I feel more comfortable in the ME109, I'll never put myself into a tight turning fight with a spitfire, I'll try to keep him in a high altitude dogfight, if I can get on his arse it's game over.

Dogfight


Dogfight [no commentary]


Quotes from pilots:

Alan Deere, who served with No. 54 Squadron during the Battle of Britain, summed it up:

Undoubtedly, the 109 in the hands of a good pilot was a tough nut to crack. Initially, it was faster in the dive, but slower in the climb; the Spitfire could out-turn, but it was at a disadvantage in manoeuvres that entailed negative G forces. Overall there was little to choose between the two fighters.

Hugh Dundas thought the antagonists to be evenly matched:

There is no doubt, that Goering and his commanders overrated the effectiveness of their fighters in relation to our own. In fact the Messerschmitt 109 and the Spitfire were extraordinarily evenly matched. Their duel for supremacy lasted throughout the war, as each plane was constantly improved and given increased power and performance. At times the Germans, by rushing out a new version before our own next improvement was ready, would get one jump ahead. At other times the advantage would be to the RAF. But on balance the Spitfire was, I believe, slightly the better aircraft. And so it was in 1940. In particular, such advantages as it enjoyed over the ME 109 at the time were enhanced by the circumstances of the battle.

As for the VIIC this is also my asset of choice, for one reason only...fast dive times, as soon as my watch crew inform me of Air or surface contact my action-on is to dive, go silent and prepare the crew for a possible dogfight [depending on what it is].

Once again its up to you my friend, good luck with what ever you choose.

[Gezur(Arbeit)]

I Love my IXB, its range is huge and you got many torps, and if u cant escape with a IX u cant escape with a VII, attacking in shallow waters is dangerous.....in deep sea u dive to 220 meters and hit silent running...sure, if they are good, they will follow u some time, but they will lose you some time. And 220 Metres is deep, DCs need long to fall that deep.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Gezur(Arbeit)

I Love my IXB, its range is huge and you got many torps, and if u cant escape with a IX u cant escape with a VII, attacking in shallow waters is dangerous.....in deep sea u dive to 220 meters and hit silent running...sure, if they are good, they will follow u some time, but they will lose you some time. And 220 Metres is deep, DCs need long to fall that deep.

220 metres.........not deep enough

[Grayson02sept1980]

had my first Convoy attack in september 41 ...

I found the convoy around the section between Ireland England and France... where the water is not so deep... so sneaking away was never the task.

though I am one "rauf und ran"( best way I translate it is: "up and hit em") type of kaleun I always try to sneak into the convoy and pick the big targets first...but
I was discovered surfaced!... what dumb mistake I made! It was one of those times ... could have avoided that

Well I sunk the little Corvette that saw me.. but it called for helped and all I managed before a frigate homed in on my was a lous double shot on a heavy freighter I could not sink atm. Sunk the frigate and just when the next torp was loaded the next corvette was there... sunk it.... then I shot another heavy freighter (this time perfect position... perfect aiming) hit the fuel bunker and blew it up with one shot.
then... you know what comes... another frigate etc etc etc.

I sunk 6 warships with my first attack run and two heavy freighters (the first onw I couldn't sink at once sunk by taking up too much water - lucky me )

then I had no torps left and drew back.... saved it and went to bed

So far all your comments helped a lot! And I have experieced just what you wrote.

The IX though with more firepower (atm two torps more and the chance to kill the rest of the helpless convoy) is on heavy boat and moves like paralyzed Elefant when dived...surfaced it is as fast and agile as my old VII ... et I have to say both are good... both have pros and cons.

My tactic almos always is to try to sneak in and if that fails kill the guards (I have found three working strategies to hit them 98% sure depending how the approch my position - of course the AI gets better at evading my torpedos... seems they "know" when I fire at them or when I aim at them ...)

The question is still not clear.

At the first attack run I sunke 28kt including the 6 warships and could have been if not for a bug 40kt as I hit a big whale-fabric-ship (dunno the english expression) and hit it at his engine... slowed down and just as I want to finish it of it sunk... sunk sign on the map...big cheers from my crew... but not listed and no tonnage accounted... darn.

till this point I could have made it with my VII too I guess but I am not sure (two Eels less! )

Still have no clue.

Tje IX completle upgraded costs 10k renown ... the alberich upgrade for my VII just 1k ...

Guess when I want to keep raiding escorted convoys I better stick with my VII... or get my ar$e blown up in the IX by depth charges. (I was also extremly "lucky" this time that the 4 guards of the convoy called in two more frigates )

... bigger not always is better... :rotfl:

I need to think this over again... both boats have their advantages ... both have weaknesses

Both are good... what I like more I dunno yet.

[Gezur(Arbeit)]

The IXC has 22 Torps......

And you killed the escorts oO How did you do that? ^^

[JG10r_Bull]

For example:

In IL2-46 I will always fly the ME109 over a Spitfire, many will think this is suicide, I feel more comfortable in the ME109, I'll never put myself into a tight turning fight with a spitfire, I'll try to keep him in a high altitude dogfight, if I can get on his arse it's game over.

Dogfight


Dogfight [no commentary]


Quotes from pilots:




Alan Deere, who served with No. 54 Squadron during the Battle of Britain, summed it up:

Undoubtedly, the 109 in the hands of a good pilot was a tough nut to crack. Initially, it was faster in the dive, but slower in the climb; the Spitfire could out-turn, but it was at a disadvantage in manoeuvres that entailed negative G forces. Overall there was little to choose between the two fighters.

Hugh Dundas thought the antagonists to be evenly matched:

There is no doubt, that Goering and his commanders overrated the effectiveness of their fighters in relation to our own. In fact the Messerschmitt 109 and the Spitfire were extraordinarily evenly matched. Their duel for supremacy lasted throughout the war, as each plane was constantly improved and given increased power and performance. At times the Germans, by rushing out a new version before our own next improvement was ready, would get one jump ahead. At other times the advantage would be to the RAF. But on balance the Spitfire was, I believe, slightly the better aircraft. And so it was in 1940. In particular, such advantages as it enjoyed over the ME 109 at the time were enhanced by the circumstances of the battle.

As for the VIIC this is also my asset of choice, for one reason only...fast dive times, as soon as my watch crew inform me of Air or surface contact my action-on is to dive, go silent and prepare the crew for a possible dogfight [depending on what it is].


Once again its up to you my friend, good luck with what ever you choose

well if your going to talk IL2 love that game little vid of me flyin my 109

[Grayson02sept1980]

still not happy with the IX... though the score is high the feeling is not there....

The IX I tested now on two big convoys and sunk 70kt each... I could never get that high scores with a VII ... still...


DOH!