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[Penelope_Grey]

Communist agenda? LMAO I love when I studied the cold war how paranoid and afraid Americans were of communists. Its almost on the same par as the whole Welsh-English rivalry.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Communist agenda? LMAO I love when I studied the cold war how paranoid and afraid Americans were of communists. Its almost on the same par as the whole Welsh-English rivalry.

You haven't studied the communist agenda in the US of A I see.

FYI:

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet.

It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.

Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.

Sources are listed below. Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5 Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12 1963- The Year That Changed America

[Tchocky]

Communists EVERYWHERE! Even Cleon Skousen agrees, and he's a conservative!

fear is good, fear is good. Terrorist threat level has been raised. consume, consume.

[STEED]

Without the cold war we would never have seen this great TV show.



One of the upsides of the cold war.

[AVGWarhawk]

Cuban Missile Crisis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis


Was not a paranoid delusion of grandure for sure.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by STEED

Without the cold war we would never have seen this great TV show.



One of the upsides of the cold war.

Oh, excellent book too

(I'm guessing, have read it four or five times, never seen the TV show)

[CCIP]

This reminds me of how a couple of years ago, I contemplated joining the Canadian Communist Party, but changed my mind.

...on second thought, reading this thread makes me think I shouldn't have. I could've been such a scary specimen that people would RUN and cry for war when they first heard my party allegiance. Instead I just have to content with being a tall and scary

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Oh, excellent book too

(I'm guessing, have read it four or five times, never seen the TV show)

Agreed.

Well worth watching Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy & Smiley's People, both were great cold war TV series.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Communist agenda? LMAO I love when I studied the cold war how paranoid and afraid Americans were of communists. Its almost on the same par as the whole Welsh-English rivalry.

Penelope...............the USSR was parking nukes 80 miles off the US coast in Cuba.....ummmm the paranoia was real.


Not to mention the three Soviet subs headed to the east coast with nuke torps aboard. All were found and made to surface.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Penelope...............the USSR was parking nukes 80 miles off the US coast in Cuba.....ummmm the paranoia was real.


Not to mention the three Soviet subs headed to the east coast with nuke torps aboard. All were found and made to surface.

And where did we found US nukes pointed at Russia?

[silentrunner]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Penelope...............the USSR was parking nukes 80 miles off the US coast in Cuba.....ummmm the paranoia was real.


Not to mention the three Soviet subs headed to the east coast with nuke torps aboard. All were found and made to surface.

Seriously Penelope do you know how many communist spies were caught during the Cold War, and even now like:
Alger Hiss
Aldrich Ames
Julius Rosenburg
Robert Hanssen
and the list goes much further on.

[Skybird]

Let's keep it in relation.

The USSR did it's part to sometimes counter American first efforts, sometimes moving ahead and triggering America to counter Soviet first efforts (remember, the cold war was carried out by TWO opponents, and regarding nuclear technology many firsts in weapons were developed and fielded by america first, not russia, which often more or less reacted to SSBNs, ICBMs, MIRVs, Kennedy's monumental nuclear arms program).

Penelope probably did not refer to such an obvious crisis like Cuba, but to the fact that many Americans almost go hysteric when Communism is mentioned. Heck, america already goes crazy when some body is mentioning "social" (not to mention "socialism", which is even something different). This antipathic hype concerning the class enemy of capitalism, communism that is, gave us not only worries about nukes on Cuba - but McCarthy's witch hunt as well. And today's massive undermining of basic rights in the name of security and countering terror, shares quite some similiarities to MyCarthy's paranoia in the meaning of going beyond what is reasonable and helptful, and demanding total control for the purpose of itself - not just for countering communist traitors, or terrorists.

And this forum itself has seen a lot of fury about terms like communism and socialism as well, so... leave it in perspective, guys.

and silentrunner, AVGwarhawk, , do you really thinkm the US navy did not conduct subamrine exercises offshore of Russia, and carried out other acts regarding Russia that you would not be shy to list here if it would have been the russian doing it with regard to America? the cold war was a game of mutual cold agressions. It was not just russia violating america's security interests, and it was not that America never responded on equal terms. In fact, many first steps were beeing taken by america, not Russia. Stop being blind on one eye. Regarding the NATO expansion right up to russian borders of today, opposite to the deals and promises that were given to them before and that the Russian trusted into (a betrayal by NATO for which they see themselves paying a high price now, and thus they are so angry at NATO), and regarding the planned missile sites in Poland and the Czech Republik, america is continuing the cold war game right until today - and then is lamenting over the logical and angry reactions and chnages in Russian policies. When you feel tempted to ventilate about how Putin could dare to do like he does, and to confront the West and give no more cheap presents, do not forget that this is in direct reaction to NATO's behavior of the past 15 years, and the broken promises in these years. Putin once was totally commited to the idea to bring Russia closer to europe, he is a great admirer of Alexander the Great and wanted to continue where alexander had to stop. It's just that the West showed him that such good will would be deliberately exploited for selfish Western interests. what is it wonder then if now he uses the same kind of behavior agaimst the West, not wanting to see his country getting exploited once again?

[Penelope_Grey]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Penelope...............the USSR was parking nukes 80 miles off the US coast in Cuba.....ummmm the paranoia was real.

Well...The US parked medium range ICBM's in Turkey first. all the Russians did was tit for tat.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Penelope probably did not refer to such an obvious crisis like Cuba, but to the fact that many Americans almost go hysteric when Communism is mentioned. Heck, america already goes crazy when some body is mentioning "social" (not to mention "socialism", which is even something different).

correct Skybird.

That was presisely what amused me. As for cuba, from what I've read America was just as responsible for that as Russia was.

Originally Posted by subman1

5. Even the UK is heading far away from capitalism, and is very much a Socialist country now and is on the Communist back porch from a political perspective.

No no no. The UK is far from a socialist country. Ask any Pensioner you like they will soon tell you how un-socialist the place is.

[AVGWarhawk]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Well...The US parked medium range ICBM's in Turkey first. all the Russians did was tit for tat.

Yes, but the point being there was every reason to be paranoid. It was real and Americans had every cause to be afraid and paranoid. Yes, we parked a few pointed at Russia and tit for tat, but the threat and paranoia in the USSR at the time was real as well. It was as close as America/USSR got to actually pressing the big red button.

[Penelope_Grey]

I still don't get why America felt the need to set up weapons, blatantly, right on Russia's borders... if that is not a direct display of intention I don't know what is.

Having said that, history will remember the cuban missile crisis 2 ways.

1) as America proving the stronger of the two getting the USSR to back down first. or....

2) as the USSR proving more sensible than American leadership and backing down first to prevent a nuclear catastrophe.

Either way, imagine if Krushchev refused to back down? Would Kennedy really have pressed the button and destroyed the world? Hmm... maybe its a good job Kennedy was assasinated in the long run.

Communism is something to be afraid of I can grant that, but in reality, communism will never work, the reason being, simple human nature. We are selfish creatures, why should I give over what is mine? Its a nice thought to think that the road sweeper and the brain surgeon are equal and of equal worth to society, but as long as people are always looking out for number 1... you get nowhere, that is why communism fails.