The federal trojan

[Skybird]

Every man has his fate. Trust it.

[Stealth Hunter]

Thankfully it's in Germany...

However, this will probably move to the United States. When that happens, I'm going home. Screw this administration and their violations in our Constitution.

[GlobalExplorer]

Stealth Hunter, the US is the is the only country that is said to be successfully monitoring worldwide communication (especially wireless), the german bundes trojaner is actually laughing stock.

[Stealth Hunter]

And then the Americans will get their hands on it and turn it into something useful. I was laughing when I read more info about this German version, but knowing how up-tight and secure Washington wants to be, well, they'll find a way to take something that's purely funnies and engineer it into something that's pure AI-Aryan (101000101011 HEIL!!).

[Skybird]

SH, the site makes mopckery of this trojan for two reasons:

first, they really assume they could successfully battle terrorism by wanting to do onlince scans of user'S PC - as if terrorists do not know that possebility, and therefore use internet cafe only, or scramblers, or whatever. We had two terrorist arrests last year, sickos that wanted to blew something up with almost a ton of explosives. One group of them used the öatest encryption devices for communaicating via internet. Their internet use was not the reason why they were caught, but the fact that the bought so many chemicals - that raised suspicion.

Second, if you do internet surveillance, a trojan is the most inadequate tool, becasue every decent user these days use dedicated scanners, firewalls, etc. Since a week I am even using an anonymity service on certain private connections to closer friends of mine. It makes it impossible to identitfy my IP. It slows things down, though, so I am not using it on all b ut only certain occasions. i will eventually make it a constant habit if the government forces companies producing firewalls to implement backdoors by which the bundestrojaner can slip in.

[Stealth Hunter]

Agreed, but most standard computers these days are built with trackers inside the case.

Some computers have program files deep within your computer's main files folder that are hidden and contain trackers that the government uses. It's somewhat like Ask.com. If I type in "terrorist" for instance, it notes it and sends it to the state government (whatever state you live in). They look it over, and it tells everything about your search (i.e. what websites you entered, what videos you may have looked at, etc.). They can choose to keep that record or throw it away (throwing it away if it really proves nothing and is just useless all the way around).

Telephones use the same system. Say something like "Osama Bin Laden" to your friend in, say, Denver, and it notes the conversation and sends it in to be looked at. They can pull up your address, your name, who you were calling, the time you were calling them at, etc. Very complex, but it works well (Nixon put it into effect in the 1970's under AT&T).

At this very moment, a signal has been sent to the Texas state department because I've included the words "terrorist" and "Osama Bin Laden". Once they receive it, they will read this entire post and pull up info on my IP address. They'll then probably examine the data and decide whether to keep a record of this post or to discard it. Scary stuff, eh?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Agreed, but most standard computers these days are built with trackers inside the case.

Some computers have program files deep within your computer's main files folder that are hidden and contain trackers that the government uses. It's somewhat like Ask.com. If I type in "terrorist" for instance, it notes it and sends it to the state government (whatever state you live in). They look it over, and it tells everything about your search (i.e. what websites you entered, what videos you may have looked at, etc.). They can choose to keep that record or throw it away (throwing it away if it really proves nothing and is just useless all the way around).

Telephones use the same system. Say something like "Osama Bin Laden" to your friend in, say, Denver, and it notes the conversation and sends it in to be looked at. They can pull up your address, your name, who you were calling, the time you were calling them at, etc. Very complex, but it works well (Nixon put it into effect in the 1970's under AT&T).

At this very moment, a signal has been sent to the Texas state department because I've included the words "terrorist" and "Osama Bin Laden". Once they receive it, they will read this entire post and pull up info on my IP address. They'll then probably examine the data and decide whether to keep a record of this post or to discard it. Scary stuff, eh?

Well, I described things like this three or four years ago in this forum, about the American elint bases in Greast Britain covering most of Europe regarding electrinic communications. People, especially conservatives, laughed only. Poor little Skybird was made mockery of for being concerned about triggering electronic tripwires. The debates of that time were very flamatory concenring the Iraq war in special, and Bush in general. I am absolutely sure that somebody took note of it all, and that there is a file about me and about several other board members as well. Technically this is possible since years - and it runs mostly fully automatic.