Man tears down Mexican flag

[fatty]

Originally Posted by Letum

Patriotism is fine and good, but it so easily turns in to bias for your own country and people
and the belief that your country and/or people are superior to others.
Some particularly nasty historical figures have relied heavily on this kind of zealous nationalism and flag waving.

Pride in ones national achievements is great, but when it spills over to trying to stop
other people showing their pride other nations by tearing down their flags or into
open hostility to other nations; some thing is wrong.

Especially when it arrives at the degree that questioning your country's direction or leadership may inspire others to deem you "unpatriotic," or even in alliance with your country's enemies. Fill in the blanks with examples from issues in the contemporary West.

[DeepIron]

Interesting points but I won't debate you on them. I'm tired of the "evil, war-mongering, hateful Americans" schtick...

Suffice to say this, anytime you guys would like to see your National Standard replaced by that of another foreign nation, be my guest...

[baggygreen]

In canberra we have parliament house, funnily enough. courtesy of walter burley griffin's design, the parliamentary circle is a central point for a lovely, well designed city.

One of the roads leading from the south side of the lake towards APH is yarra glen. As You drive along it, you come around a bend, up a slight rise and next thing you see is a couple of km away, the australian flag flying atop APH. Its a glorious view.

The only thing better is driving towards APH from the War Memorial, shown here. I get to drive down Anzac parade to this view every morning on my way to work.

My point is, every time i see these 2 sights, my stomach does a little dance. I dont hold many if any views that we're a superior nation etc., but it certainly tickles my pickle!!!!!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

Interesting points but I won't debate you on them. I'm tired of the "evil, war-mongering, hateful Americans" schtick...

Suffice to say this, anytime you guys would like to see your National Standard replaced by that of another foreign nation, be my guest...

Good one! I couldn't say it better myself. Pretty much the only reason ones country even exists is due to patriotism in the first place. Without it, you have nothing more than a congregation of people with no moral fabric to bind them together, waiting for the next barbarian attack looking to take away what little they have left.

I thought in this day in age that we would have figured out what got you to where one is. Seems some people need a history lesson. Very sad. Actually, very very sad.

-S

[bigboywooly]

I have a 10 by 8 St Georges flag flying on a pole in my back garden
Pole is high enough to be seen across all the neighbouring gardens and roads

F**k em
Tis my national flag

Not had any complaints
YET

Was one thing I noticed while in the states - the amount of US flags flying from porches and businesses
Not to mention bumper stickers

Very few of our government buildings fly flags anymore
Shame

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

Interesting points but I won't debate you on them. I'm tired of the "evil, war-mongering, hateful Americans" schtick...

Suffice to say this, anytime you guys would like to see your National Standard replaced by that of another foreign nation, be my guest...

Tearing down some other countries flag is hardly something to concider a patriotic act. Allso waving your own nations flag arround everywhere doesnt make you a patriot, while standing for your country and its ideals does.

[P_Funk]

Have you people seen the Canadian flag? Do you know how silly it looks next to everyone elses? Its a bloody joke nearly!

And I love that flag. Cause it says F U to everyone else. Its the most original flag I've ever seen. Not some ripped off American flag with only 13 stars and a beaver in the middle for good luck. Nope its totally original. Does fill me with pride, and a giggle.

And I don't have an issue with people displaying flags of their ancestry, as long as it isn't an overt jesture of anti-integration. Every day on the way to school I can look out the right window of the bus and see a lovely house on one corner that has a greek flag flying high. But guess what, it has a Canadian one flying just a bit higher too.

Thats how you do it.

As for patriotism, not my cup of congac either. I'm a much bigger fan of nationalism. Patriotism always gave off a submissive ignorant feeling to me.

Even the googled definitions sound correct to me.

Patriotism - Love of and devotion to one's country.

Nationalism - Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

Way more complex and doesn't imply a deliberate or encouraged ignorance or jingoism. Yes jingoism goes well with patriotism.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Tearing down some other countries flag is hardly something to concider a patriotic act. Allso waving your own nations flag arround everywhere doesnt make you a patriot, while standing for your country and its ideals does.

It is totally patriotic. The proper way to display a flag on a government building such as a school, which is state run is to have the American flag on top and in the middle. Slightly lower is to have the state flag off on one of the side polls, and the third poll should be used for a visiting dignitary and should be the lowest of the three.

THis shows pride in our country and represents pride. THe fact a Mexican flag is flying above our schools with no American or state flag tells me there is deep problems in that society. Scary.

-S

[DeepIron]

Tearing down some other countries flag is hardly something to concider a patriotic act.

I guess the guys on Iwo Jima were pretty "unpatriotic" by your definition...

Also waving your own nations flag arround everywhere doesnt make you a patriot, while standing for your country and its ideals does.

So, what's the problem? I'm standing by my patriotic ideals by posting my convictions in this forum and I'm close to being condemned for them... I am a patriotic citizen. I stand by my country for what our Founding Fathers believed in and what the Constitution of the United States guarantees. I'm as much a patriot for my country as anyone else is for theirs.

As far as the flag incident is concerned, it boils down to this:
The National Flag of Mexico OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY has NO, repeat NO, reason or right to be flown in this OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY outside of the lawful and prescribed manner as SUBMAN1 points out.

Maybe someone who questions "patriotism" should proudly and unabashedly display a Nazi flag at their home. See how many "patriots" show up on your doorstep...

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

I guess the guys on Iwo Jima were pretty "unpatriotic" by your definition...

Now you are taking things out of context. The soldiers at Iwo Jima were fighting in a war where strong symbols like that are important for morale. They were patriots by the merrit of figthing for their countries defence.

So, what's the problem? I'm standing by my patriotic ideals by posting my convictions in this forum and I'm close to being condemned for them... I am a patriotic citizen. I stand by my country for what our Founding Fathers believed in and what the Constitution of the United States guarantees. I'm as much a patriot for my country as anyone else is for theirs.

I did'nt condemn you. While I dont agree with everything you say I never dondemned you. All i said was that I don't see the tearing down of that flag in that case as being patriotic.

As far as the flag incident is concerned, it boils down to this:
The National Flag of Mexico OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY has NO, repeat NO, reason or right to be flown in this OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY outside of the lawful and prescribed manner as SUBMAN1 points out.

Maybe someone who questions "patriotism" should proudly and unabashedly display a Nazi flag at their home. See how many "patriots" show up on your doorstep...

Thats your opinion. The school I went to had two flags up the poles, both at equal height, our countries flag and the flag of the country our partner school was, Finland in thsi case. I concidered it as sign of respect to have the flags at equal height, but this is again a mater of opinion wether you think the country in question deserves the respect or not.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

THis shows pride in our country and represents pride. THe fact a Mexican flag is flying above our schools with no American or state flag tells me there is deep problems in that society. Scary.

-S

Yeah, I think the US is rotting from within. I'm amazed how brazenly illegal immigrants and their US supporters are pushing us to legalize 12 million. It won't be long before the demographics shift enough for them to rewrite our immigration laws.

[DeepIron]

Yeah, I think the US is rotting from within. I'm amazed how brazenly illegal immigrants and their US supporters are pushing us to legalize 12 million.

If there were only $ome rea$on for the$e effort$...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah, I think the US is rotting from within. I'm amazed how brazenly illegal immigrants and their US supporters are pushing us to legalize 12 million. It won't be long before the demographics shift enough for them to rewrite our immigration laws.

Different to Europe, at least most of your newcomers are Catholics.

[DeepIron]

antikristuseke, your profile says "estland" so I'm assuming Estonia?, north of Latvia and west of Russia? Interesting thing about the Estonian flag:

(1) If the Estonian Flag is raised with other flags, the Estonian flag must be at a position of superior prominence or honour.

Not so different from the US I guess... And I mean no disrespect, we all have our laws...

I agree that illegal imigrants are a problem, but im pretty sure that the Mexican government isnt sending them to the US in an act of agression.

Let's put it this way, the Mexican Federal govenment isn't stopping them... and has even gone as far as condemming the US for wanting to put a fence along the border as a barrier...

Or this reported by CNN: "Mexican President Felipe Calderon Sunday demanded the United States surrender its sovereignty, abandon the rule of law and accede to Mexico's inherent supremacy."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/04/Dob...ref=newssearch

If that's not a threat, I don't know what is...

[SUBMAN1]

Just my 2 cents - Iwo Jima vs public schools. Same symbol, same moral boost, same message. Not sure who said it above, but they are dead wrong to think otherwise.

-S