Peace had come to Germany, but was rejected. How insulting!

[Skybird]

The size of scientology is hard to estimate since they mix up the terms "members" and "customers", and since decades give wrong (and over decades never-changing) numbers on how big they are.

Ingo Heinemann is a profilated-known critic of scientology, and works as lawyer for a consumer rights organisation, and in a network countering psycho sects. Amongst the many things he attacks Scientology for, he gives estimations of their members pool in Germany, saying that in the early 80s they already must have had 200.000 to 300.o00 members. How high the number of unidentified "sleepers" in economical and politcal leadership hierarchies is, only the gods in Olymp can know. For that timeframe, they are estimated to have done one billion dollars worth of global business (it is not more than franchise enterprise selling Hubbard's texts by kind of a snowballing system, that combines business with aspects of a supressive and manipulative psycho sect). Considering that since the early eighties they have become far more aggressive and see themselves in an offensive since some years "to clear Germany", I would not be surprised at all if their members/customers pool in the past 25 years has not only grown over those 200-300 thousand, but has surpassed the barrier into the million. Time enough they had, money enough they had, and aggressive enough they are.

http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/

So what are you wondering that I am concerned about scientology, AL? this australian report is from 1965, published by the state of Victoria:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/ar30.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/ar31.html

from: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/andrhome.html

And this is the present in Germany, published by the free state of Bavaria:

http://www.stmi.bayern.de/imperia/md...cientology.pdf
(German)

[Skybird]

Great. i managed to hijack my own threat.

[joea]

Maybe you have. I have some more anti-Scientology pages in English for folks to peruse if they wish to learn more.

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/index.html#xenu

That page is chock full of links...here is another good one:

http://www.xenu.net/

Some hilarious stuff, some not so funny.

[AntEater]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Scientology, but I think compared to radical Islam they are a lesser threat.
I mean Scientology wants Influence in the existing society, not to turn the world into another dark age.
I know german firms (law firms, headhunters, basically everything concerning recruiting) who actually have a clause in their contract in which the employee has to state that he is not a member of Scientology and the work contract will terminate if he should become one.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AntEater

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Scientology, but I think compared to radical Islam they are a lesser threat.
I mean Scientology wants Influence in the existing society, not to turn the world into another dark age.

I did never hinted you were a fan of scientology.

And Turkish primeminster Erdogan just complained that it is offending to talk of "moderate Islam", as if there are different kinds of Islam, and that one should talk of Islam only, Erdogan said. Referring to his logic I also would recommend not to talk of "radical Islam" anymore, but Islam only. Else they may snap again.

anyone who has a beard should be shot. unless your at sea, then its ok.

and Jesus excluded

and Santa

[joea]

Originally Posted by Swede

anyone who has a beard should be shot. unless your at sea, then its ok.

and Jesus excluded

and Santa

..and Orthodox priests and Confederate re-enactors and ... me.