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Old 08-29-07, 01:02 PM   #1
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Default 100th F-22 Raptor delivered to U.S. Air Force

That seems like a fast delivery schedule.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070829/law072.html?.v=101
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Old 08-29-07, 01:25 PM   #2
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Thanks for the link ... I didn't even know the first one had
been delivered.

I hope they don't crash one taking pictures of it like they
did that beautiful high altitude spy plane.
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Old 08-29-07, 01:41 PM   #3
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Its that Joint Strike Fighter F-35 Lightning II which I find suspect. Development has been going on for too many years compaired to the F-22. I'm beginning to think that its a cover for some other program(s). The navy's DSRV, of which there are only two, was also a cover. That $500 hammer thing.
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Old 08-29-07, 02:44 PM   #4
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Its that Joint Strike Fighter F-35 Lightning II which I find suspect. Development has been going on for too many years compaired to the F-22. I'm beginning to think that its a cover for some other program(s). The navy's DSRV, of which there are only two, was also a cover. That $500 hammer thing.
It is longer because it's 3 aircraft vs 1. The V/STOL design also eats considerable time. THe only thing the same between these 3 aircraft is the engine and parts of the frame, and even these are different due to nozzel design, etc.

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Old 08-29-07, 09:35 PM   #5
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Their not wasting any time on the F/22 are they?
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Old 08-29-07, 11:10 PM   #6
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Bah! F22s are for mere human beings.

Meet the Reaper.
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At 220mph it could be an easy target if up against anyone with shoulder launched Stingers for example :hmm:
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Well, A UCAV like the Reaper is expendable.
It is hardly more expensive than a normal missile and has a good chance of coming back.
If it doesnt, well, that's just another few bucks down the drain, but nothing to worry about.
IIRC, the prototype Reapers were almost all lost during the trials.
UAV units have a high loss rate.
But keep in mind Reaper is still a remotely piloted aircraft, not a robot.
There's still a pilot flying those things and firing the missiles, but he's somewhere safe.
Also, for high intensity conflict with a real enemy, this thing is not really suitable, but for zapping muslim fanatics from a distance, it is just fine.
But I allready imagined the future.
Many companies are working on autonomous combat robots, wether flying or ground.
Put them in an automated base which services and supplies them, maybe even manufactures at least munitions, if not whole robots, and you have the ultimate land mine.
A remote killing device with a range of hundreds of kilometers.
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Im suprised there isn't a remotely piloted rocket aircraft.
A little like a remotely piloted tomahawk missile with survelance equipment and missiles attached. :hmm:
~200mph is very, very slow.
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Im suprised there isn't a remotely piloted rocket aircraft.
A little like a remotely piloted tomahawk missile with survelance equipment and missiles attached. :hmm:
~200mph is very, very slow.
200 MPH is actually very fast for an aircraft designed to loiter.

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At 220mph it could be an easy target if up against anyone with shoulder launched Stingers for example :hmm:
That is a big no. The problem being that no one knows you are there - it flies outside of stinger range at 10K feet, and no noise transfers to the ground from the alt. Couple this with the fact that it is near impossible to spot from the alt, and I think one would be hard pressed to ever know it was there.
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Old 08-30-07, 09:33 AM   #11
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Fair enough.......but an enemy with radar and more sophisticated SAM weaponry, not to mention signal jamming capabilities would probably have more success aginst it ? :hmm:
Don't get me wrong here....I'm just playing devils advocate
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Fair enough.......but an enemy with radar and more sophisticated SAM weaponry, not to mention signal jamming capabilities would probably have more success aginst it ? :hmm:
Don't get me wrong here....I'm just playing devils advocate
I'm sure. But then again, Saddam couldn't shoot them down much either. I have a video feed on one being fired on - and the missile missed.

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Here we go - Iraqi terrorists fire 4 Sams at predator - all miss. 5th also misses. Predator doesn't miss.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b5_1183143383

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~200mph is very, very slow.
200 MPH is actually very fast for an aircraft designed to loiter.
Prahaps, but planes where doing 200mph back in the 1920s!
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