Things i really can't understand

Rhino1978 · 08-26-07, 12:01 PM

just another idea,when he passes you in an attack run or is round your rear go to flank so he can hear you and try to get him to chase you then give him the good news with a stern shot.make sure outer doors are open and enough distance to arm torp at least 400m

Weedcow · 08-26-07, 12:05 PM

A good idea yes

2 torps should sink it, and if i set up the direction before, it could be pretty fast fired -

Rockin Robbins · 08-26-07, 12:22 PM

I agree, you have to find a way to hit him with a torpedo. Set them as shallow as you can and set up an AoB 0 or 180 shot. get him to chase you, even if you have to pop part of the sail out of the water. Make it a max 400 yd, min 300 yd shot and you have a great chance to tag him.

You're toast on the surface unless you're living a real clean life, so I'm afraid you're toast...

You still may end up seeing if you can spread some jelly on that toast and give it back to him, but your advantage is your torpedoes. You have plenty to waste. Go for it!

tater · 08-26-07, 12:40 PM

Gotta be careful of arming distance as well.

tater

Aquitaine · 01-22-09, 04:43 PM

Sorry to resurrect this thread...

I'm having a similar problem with minesweepers. My last patrol, I sank 9 (!) destroyers, one after the other (and then chased down some juicy convoys) but two minesweepers, one in two different escort groups, gave me no end of trouble. Manual targeting, auto targeting, setting depth as shallow as possible, my torps would go right underneath them - bow, stern, middle, doesn't matter. Maybe one out of ten tries I'd actually get one to explode.

These are US Mk14 torps, RSRDC, but no other mods. I'm not missing, I just can't get the buggers to explode. Below 300 yards I usually figure I don't have enough time in the water for a torp to arm itself, but I've got one now at 500 yards with a decent AOB, and still no dice - slow torp, fast torp, doesn't matter.

Am I missing something?

Ping Panther · 01-22-09, 04:58 PM

This is an interesting thread. Is it true that minesweepers were also typically constructed with wooden hulls?
(Not that setting topedoes for magnetic triggers is the consideration here to blast them off of you. But it just got me thinking...)
Shallow keel draft and a tight turn ability on those sweepers is a trouble to deal with.

I hope WCow has dealt with his sweeper issue by now!

Soundman · 01-22-09, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ping Panther

This is an interesting thread. Is it true that minesweepers were also typically constructed with wooden hulls?
(Not that setting topedoes for magnetic triggers is the consideration here to blast them off of you. But it just got me thinking...)
Shallow keel draft and a tight turn ability on those sweepers is a trouble to deal with.

I hope WCow has dealt with his sweeper issue by now!

I have wondered if this is modeled in the game too. The same applies to Subchasers, they supposedly had wooden hulls and I've never been able to hit them with a fish (using TMO) and go Hmmm? :hmm:

DaveyJ576 · 02-04-09, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ping Panther

Is it true that minesweepers were also typically constructed with wooden hulls?

Some are, some are not. All of the Navy's current MCM force are a combination wood/fiberglass construction. Steel hulled sweeps could not sweep for magnetic influence mines. All minesweepers are deliberately designed with as shallow a draft as they can get away with, so hitting one with a torp would be difficult.

rubenandthejets · 01-22-09, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhino1978

just another idea,when he passes you in an attack run or is round your rear go to flank so he can hear you and try to get him to chase you then give him the good news with a stern shot.make sure outer doors are open and enough distance to arm torp at least 400m

You could trying pinging the depth to lure him in too. Always seems to get a lot of attention.

If you go to the surface and deck gun it out, try jumping on the AAA yourself if the gun crew is OK and hose the ship with it. I find all the "interactive" components of the superstructure go up in flames pretty quickly-you clear out his guns and maybe blow up his cans too while the DG crew punch portholes below the waterline. Works best with 40mm, but any AAA will do the trick. Maximises the amount of angry metal flying at them.

tater · 01-22-09, 09:02 PM

The game uses collision nodes to detonate the "magnetic" pistols, wood would not matter.

300 yards is too short for a mk14. The arming distance is 450 yards, so 500 yards might be too close if he is closing at all (since the range will close during the travel time of the fish).

Aquitaine · 01-23-09, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

300 yards is too short for a mk14. The arming distance is 450 yards, so 500 yards might be too close if he is closing at all (since the range will close during the travel time of the fish).

Really? I've definitely hit destroyers at under 450 yards - I thought the arming distance was simply a matter of time (so it would be a lesser distance at a slower torpedo speed) and not distance.

Maybe the game's just cutting me a break, though. Will try the AAA gun on the minesweeper. Can't imagine why I didn't think of that before.

Berinhardt · 02-04-09, 02:36 PM

This may not get points for realism, but have you tried setting your depth to 40ft and ramming the minesweeper with the periscope blades? Works well for DD's (although you won't get credit for sinking it.)

At the very least it would get you out of your situation.

Nisgeis · 02-04-09, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquitaine

Really? I've definitely hit destroyers at under 450 yards - I thought the arming distance was simply a matter of time (so it would be a lesser distance at a slower torpedo speed) and not distance.

An actual torpedo has an impeller on it that arms the torpedo after a fixed number of revolutions. It's driven by passage through water, so the faster the torpedo goes, the faster it arms. This means that whether it's on the slow or fast setting it will arm at the same distance, but different times. Whether this is modelling in game correctly, I don't know. The Mark 18s have a much reduced arming distance - are you sure it was Mk. 14s you fired?

SteamWake · 02-04-09, 07:13 PM

Fact of the matter is that the sweepers draft is shallower than the torpedoes can be set for.

Even at the shallowest setting possible the torps will still slip beneath them.

Evasion is the best tactic in this case, however in your case it may be too late. Still if you can get some distance at some point surface and hit flank. I believe you can out run them. Just keep a skinny profile to make yourself hard to hit.

Good luck

Nicolas · 02-04-09, 07:36 PM

Im not alone, the little escorts cant be shot. but if someone tweak the game so the torpedoes can be set shallower?

08-26-07, 12:01 PM	#1
Rhino1978 Sailor man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North east england Posts: 43 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	just another idea,when he passes you in an attack run or is round your rear go to flank so he can hear you and try to get him to chase you then give him the good news with a stern shot.make sure outer doors are open and enough distance to arm torp at least 400m __________________ Depth chargers in the water sir!!!!!!!

08-26-07, 12:22 PM	#3
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Between the devil and the deep blue sea I agree, you have to find a way to hit him with a torpedo. Set them as shallow as you can and set up an AoB 0 or 180 shot. get him to chase you, even if you have to pop part of the sail out of the water. Make it a max 400 yd, min 300 yd shot and you have a great chance to tag him. You're toast on the surface unless you're living a real clean life, so I'm afraid you're toast... You still may end up seeing if you can spread some jelly on that toast and give it back to him, but your advantage is your torpedoes. You have plenty to waste. Go for it! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

02-04-09, 02:36 PM	#12
Berinhardt Seaman Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 37 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Minesweepers This may not get points for realism, but have you tried setting your depth to 40ft and ramming the minesweeper with the periscope blades? Works well for DD's (although you won't get credit for sinking it.) At the very least it would get you out of your situation. __________________ ================\|================== Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat. John Lehman (1942 - ), Secretary of the Navy, 1981-1987

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08-26-07, 12:05 PM	#2
Weedcow Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	A good idea yes 2 torps should sink it, and if i set up the direction before, it could be pretty fast fired -

08-26-07, 12:40 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Gotta be careful of arming distance as well. tater

01-22-09, 04:43 PM	#5
Aquitaine Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 9 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Sorry to resurrect this thread... I'm having a similar problem with minesweepers. My last patrol, I sank 9 (!) destroyers, one after the other (and then chased down some juicy convoys) but two minesweepers, one in two different escort groups, gave me no end of trouble. Manual targeting, auto targeting, setting depth as shallow as possible, my torps would go right underneath them - bow, stern, middle, doesn't matter. Maybe one out of ten tries I'd actually get one to explode. These are US Mk14 torps, RSRDC, but no other mods. I'm not missing, I just can't get the buggers to explode. Below 300 yards I usually figure I don't have enough time in the water for a torp to arm itself, but I've got one now at 500 yards with a decent AOB, and still no dice - slow torp, fast torp, doesn't matter. Am I missing something?

01-22-09, 04:58 PM	#6
Ping Panther Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the armpit of the Mid-Atlantic / Quadrant CA42 Posts: 262 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	This is an interesting thread. Is it true that minesweepers were also typically constructed with wooden hulls? (Not that setting topedoes for magnetic triggers is the consideration here to blast them off of you. But it just got me thinking...) Shallow keel draft and a tight turn ability on those sweepers is a trouble to deal with. I hope WCow has dealt with his sweeper issue by now!

01-22-09, 09:02 PM	#10
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The game uses collision nodes to detonate the "magnetic" pistols, wood would not matter. 300 yards is too short for a mk14. The arming distance is 450 yards, so 500 yards might be too close if he is closing at all (since the range will close during the travel time of the fish).

02-04-09, 07:13 PM	#14
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Fact of the matter is that the sweepers draft is shallower than the torpedoes can be set for. Even at the shallowest setting possible the torps will still slip beneath them. Evasion is the best tactic in this case, however in your case it may be too late. Still if you can get some distance at some point surface and hit flank. I believe you can out run them. Just keep a skinny profile to make yourself hard to hit. Good luck

02-04-09, 07:36 PM	#15
Nicolas Commander Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Uruguay Posts: 453 Downloads: 196 Uploads: 4	Im not alone, the little escorts cant be shot. but if someone tweak the game so the torpedoes can be set shallower?