Hiroshima

[w-subcommander]

We all responsible for our actions.
Saddam paid his price for keeping country together. Was he a tyrant? Yes? Did he order to kill innocents? Yes. Did he keep country together? Yes.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

We all responsible for our actions.
Saddam paid his price for keeping country together. Was he a tyrant? Yes? Did he order to kill innocents? Yes. Did he keep country together? Yes.

Hitler paid his price for keeping country together. Was he a tyrant? Yes? Did he order to kill innocents? Yes. Did he keep country together? Yes.

And feel free to juxtapose Mussolini, Alexander the Great, Stalin, Idi Amin, Castro etc, etc. What actually is your point? It surely cannot be equating dictatorships to democracy? Or can it?

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Hitler paid his price for keeping country together. Was he a tyrant? Yes? Did he order to kill innocents? Yes. Did he keep country together? Yes.

And feel free to juxtapose Mussolini, Alexander the Great, Stalin, Idi Amin, Castro etc, etc. What actually is your point? It surely cannot be equating dictatorships to democracy? Or can it?

My point is even if you re on good side - you re responsible for what are you doing. Even siiting in jail for 1 day is just formality it will make some justice. This Lady is supposed to be blind, I think.
Allies leader werent saint. Bombing of Dresden was completly usseless from military point of view. It was revenge. Hiroshima is still in the debates. But we sent to death row a lot of people with different number of victims.
Russian soldiers( not all of couse) did a lot of rape, stealing and killing during the occupation of Germany 1945/46. But only Russians experienced occupation of Germans. They did to Germans what Germans did to Russians. We can understand it. But does it make their actions better?

PS "It surely cannot be equating dictatorships to democracy? Or can it?" Read Aristotle on it. Its contradictionary. Democracy can be same cruel as worst dictatorship. Or you really think that majority is always right? Especially uneducated majority. Stalin Constitution 1936 or Brezhnev's 1977 were very democratic. Do they work? NO. End of story
I just against the point that there is only 1 right way of democracy

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

But only Russians experienced occupation of Germans.

Well actually no. So did the French, the Belgiums, the Dutch, Austrians, the Swedish, the North Africans, etc, etc all experienced occupation by the Germans. Where on earth did you learn your history from?

[/quote] PS "It surely cannot be equating dictatorships to democracy? Or can it?" Read Aristotle on it. Its contradictionary. Democracy can be same cruel as worst dictatorship. Or you reaslly thing that majority is always right? Especially uneducated majority. Stalin Constitution 1936 or Brezhnev's 1977 were very democratic. Do they work? NO. End of story [/quote]

So, Stalin and Brezhnev were challenged for political power by an opposition that were supported or given voice by a free press and a electorate that were given free choice. Interesting.

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Well actually no. So did the French, the Belgiums, the Dutch, Austrians, the Swedish, the North Africans, etc, etc all experienced occupation by the Germans. Where on earth did you learn your history from?

My fault. I wanted to say that only Russians( Belorus and Ukraine were in SU) -are suffered so much from occupation. (Jews,Gipsy were #1 target, but russians as bolshevik's nation were in the same list of priorities)
Russians had to be destroyed as nonarial race or become slaves(25% all other 75 has to be exterminated) in 3 reich. Frenc, Belgiums and Dutches were declared "close to arial race " and they didnt suffer so much. Austrian are etnically Germans.And anexion of Austria were declared as reunion!!!!!!!!!!! Hitler himself was born Austrian(Salzburg, Austria). Swedish were neutral and anyway declared arian kind.
My mamma told so is not always a good source.It s not personal. We all have same sickness.
Never Let Schooling Get in the Way of Your Education.
PS I forgot poor North Africans! Germans needs cooperation from them to fight with English.