Hiroshima

[micky1up]

Originally Posted by Biggles

I'm sure he didn't mean anything wrong with it, but "happy" is indeed the wrong word. Let us not forget people....Remember Hiroshima...Remember Nagasaki....and let us hope that there will be NO MORE nuclear weapons used in war.

well before you make statements remember the estimate of how many soldiers would have died in an invasion of japan and the its in the millions it may sound like screwd logic but those two atomic weapons saved many lives

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by micky1up

well before you make statements remember the estimate of how many soldiers would have died in an invasion of japan and the its in the millions it may sound like screwd logic but those two atomic weapons saved many lives

According novadays researches ( check History International) "your" point of view is questionable. In my opinion Truman action(s) is directly in crimes against humanity zone( killing civilians) Very strange logical arguments like they strarted it first and it will save a lot of lives in future.... Anyway Hiroshima had to be bombed and ... Truman had to be in the jail for it!!!!
I am sometimes ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:
Why we think that our democracy standards are the best? Now we are ordering serbs to cut part of its country!!! Because it is in their best interests - it is easier to manage in smaller country!!!
America is the most beautiful and just a little bit shameless. Who will control the controllers?
PS
"Comparing to Europe USA have a some lack of culture. Comparing to USA Europe has a lack of civilization."German engineer visiting USA in 1930s.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

According novadays researches ( check History International) "your" point of view is questionable. In my opinion Truman action(s) is directly in crimes against humanity zone( killing civilians) Very strange logical arguments like they strarted it first and it will save a lot of lives in future....
But what done is done. I (as an American ) am sometimes ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:
Why we think that our democracy standards are the best? Now we are ordering serbs to cut part of its country!!! Because it is in their best interests - it is easier to manage in smaller country!!!
America is the most beautiful and just a little bit shameless. Who will control the controllers?
PS
"Comparing to Europe USA have a some lack of culture. Comparing to USA Europe has a lack of civilization."German engineer visiting USA in 1930s.

Put it like this. How many Americans died in the invasion of Japan? Thats what it's worth.

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Put it like this. How many Americans died in the invasion of Japan? Thats what it's worth.

My point is what done is done. But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

My point is what done is done. But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.

So Roosevelt and Churchill belonged in jail too for the strategic bombing of Germany?

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

So Roosevelt and Churchill belonged in jail too for the strategic bombing of Germany?

in idealistic point of view yes! at( least for 1 day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[joea]

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

in idealistic point of view yes! at( least for 1 day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Did you read ASWnut's stats? You make good points, and I said I thought another course should have been tried, but do you really think the 2 sides were morally equivalent?

[w-subcommander]

We all responsible for our actions.
Saddam paid his price for keeping country together. Was he a tyrant? Yes? Did he order to kill innocents? Yes. Did he keep country together? Yes.

[Von Tonner]

w-subcommander
[quote]I m grateful to America for everything it done for me. It s a wonderful country with wonderfull people. I ll protect it against any enemy that will invide. But it is not the BEST in the world!!!!!!!!!!! It has its good side and bad side! Patriotism is to love the country with all its best and worse stuff. And to be patriot doesnt mean to be blind or have hearing problems. Did you ever read Patriotic Act?
And I quote myself:
My point is what done is done. But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.[quote]

w-subcommander I ask this with all due respect, were you born in the USA? If not, where are you from? And also, what in your opinion is the "best country" in the world?

[w-subcommander]

[quote=Von Tonner]w-subcommander
[quote]I m grateful to America for everything it done for me. It s a wonderful country with wonderfull people. I ll protect it against any enemy that will invide. But it is not the BEST in the world!!!!!!!!!!! It has its good side and bad side! Patriotism is to love the country with all its best and worse stuff. And to be patriot doesnt mean to be blind or have hearing problems. Did you ever read Patriotic Act?
And I quote myself:
My point is what done is done. But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.

w-subcommander I ask this with all due respect, were you born in the USA? If not, where are you from? And also, what in your opinion is the "best country" in the world?

was born Russian.Now I m living in America. And Russia is not perfect too. There is no best countries. Nobody is perfect. And I really love America and Russia too.

[August]

Originally Posted by w-subcommander

But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.

What do you think the death toll would have been had those atom bombs not been dropped? Does anyone really think the invasion would have started on the 6th of August? No! Japan would have been subjected to weeks and months of round the clock conventional bombing and naval shelling doing far more damage than just two small nukes did.

Millions of Japanese would have died either directly or as the result of starvation and disease before the first allied soldier ever hit the beach and millions more would have died afterwards, not to mention the Allied POWs and citizens from dozens of nations around asia still under the boot heel of the Japanese.

Send Harry Truman to jail? No way, not even if he was still alive.

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by August

What do you think the death toll would have been had those atom bombs not been dropped? Does anyone really think the invasion would have started on the 6th of August? No! Japan would have been subjected to weeks and months of round the clock conventional bombing and naval shelling doing far more damage than just two small nukes did.

Millions of Japanese would have died either directly or as the result of starvation and disease before the first allied soldier ever hit the beach and millions more would have died afterwards, not to mention the Allied POWs and citizens from dozens of nations around asia still under the boot heel of the Japanese.

Send Harry Truman to jail? No way, not even if he was still alive.

Again its a question of moral responsibility.He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail even for 1 day by his own will"

[Von Tonner]

[quote I (as an American ) am ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:
[/quote]

I wonder why your country is the only country in the world that has a lotto on a green card? Why also, are there millions amd millions of people who would give their life (boat people, Mexicans etc, etc) to have a life in the USA. Do not take what you have for granted, do you want to exchange citizenship with a Zimbabwean? Be thankful for what you have got.

[w-subcommander]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

[quote I (as an American ) am ashamed looking at idiots who are proclaming that we live in the best country in the world! It is good for internal propaganda, but when they declare it outside the country .... LOL:rotfl:

I wonder why your country is the only country in the world that has a lotto on a green card? Why also, are there millions amd millions of people who would give their life (boat people, Mexicans etc, etc) to have a life in the USA. Do not take what you have for granted, do you want to exchange citizenship with a Zimbabwean? Be thankful for what you have got.[/quote]

I m grateful to America for everything it done for me. It s a wonderful country with wonderfull people. I ll protect it against any enemy that will invide. But it is not the BEST in the world!!!!!!!!!!! It has its good side and bad side! Patriotism is to love the country with all its best and worse stuff. And to be patriot doesnt mean to be blind or have hearing problems. Did you ever read Patriotic Act?
And I quote myself:
My point is what done is done. But Truman belongs to jail. It coul be his price for saving Americans lives and killing civilians. He had my respect as a greatest leader if he went to jail by his own will.

BEST can mean:
1) is Perfection /or
2) is most outstanding or excellent

[w-subcommander]

I have 27 years experience living in Europe
I have 9 years experience living in USA.
I visited about 30 countries in the world, when I was a seaman.
Definition of culture is different in Europeans mind and Americans mind.
I just made a quote that seems to me very interesting point of view.
Again I do not make a statement what is better or worser. Remember Einstein?
His theories?