New graphic card

stabiz · 08-03-07, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switch.dota

I'd rather have a 7950 over the 8800 or 7900, for the simple reason that DX 10 is useless right now and under DX 9 the 7950 is comparable to the 8800. By the time DX 10 will become needed, we'll have geforce 9 series.

That is just wrong. I had a 7950GT 512MB, and now I have a 8800 GTS 320MB. The difference is staggering.

simon11 · 08-03-07, 01:16 PM

To get the most out of an 8800GTX you need a good power supply and a good cpu. Plus a good bank account.

switch.dota · 08-03-07, 01:54 PM

A 7950GT will work miracles under XP. The advantages an 8800 provides over a 7950GT are minor in DX9 (aka windows XP). And by the time Vista is holding it's ground the 8 generation will be obsolete technology wise (first generation to support DX 10 - do you expect best performance off the bat?), so you'll need another upgrade anyway. Wheather it's from a 7950Gt or an average 8800 there's little difference.

stabiz · 08-03-07, 02:23 PM

:rotfl:Have you even tried an 8800? The 7950Gt is dwarfed by it.

FooFighters · 08-03-07, 03:53 PM

I see that that the opinion vary..

I know that the 8800 is a super card, but also twice the money of a 7950GT (euro 299->159).
Is it also twice te value in a XP DX9 enviroment..

If I was sure that the 8800 works perfect on my pc it's no problem.
But I still don't how my cpu will work with the 8800 ?

cali03boss · 08-03-07, 03:57 PM

psh...my 8800GTX was 400...

the CPU should have no problem. I was running the exact CPU on my older motherboard for SH3 with a similar card chipset and it ran good...not perfect...but good. In the end you can always do a compatability report from NVidia. But I don't see why it would have a problem.

xboxer · 08-03-07, 10:12 PM

I'm using a Athlon 3200 (Socket 754) and a 7600GT as well but with only 1.5 GB of RAM.

I think it runs fine now.

But to answer your question, definitely skip the 8600 cards. There are almost no difference between a 7600GT and a 8600GT.

The best choice will be a 8800GTS since it is pretty affordable nowadays.

xboxer · 08-03-07, 10:21 PM

Another thing you might want to note is, ask yourself what kind of games do you play all the time?

If it is just SH4, I say save your money and keep your 7600GT.

If you enjoy playing the latest power hungry games like GRAW2, R6 Vegas and SC DA, then get an upgrade.

Couple of hundred bucks for eye candy just one game(SH4), isn't very friendly on the pocket and neither will you get a bang for your buck. Besides, the requirements for SH4 to play on a relatively high setting is child's play compared to the games I mentioned above.

UnSalted · 08-03-07, 11:06 PM

MIght want to spend some time thinking about upgrade cycle times. Is it a good buy often depends on how often you will need to upgrade to keep running newer games with the eye candy people love. Personally I can't see spending bucks to ulgrade to an already out of date technology like a card built for Direct9. I'd rather wait an extra month or two and save a little longer to avoid investing behind the curve.

Just me. Good luck with your choice.

BTW I'm running a 7900GT with an AM2 4600 Dual Core and love it. Great bang for the buck and I'll keep the graphics until the 8900 series shows up which will most likely happen around the same time as Vista gets SP1. I love Christmas toys for myself.

rls669 · 08-04-07, 11:01 AM

I thought the K8N motherboard had an AGP slot, not PCI-e. If so, forget about the 8800 series because that is PCI-e only. The best performance for AGP is probably the ATI X1900XTX but that is quite expensive and also very loud. The Geforce 7950 is probably your best bet. Either will outperform the 8600 series, though I'm not sure that's available in AGP either.

FooFighters · 08-04-07, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rls669

I thought the K8N motherboard had an AGP slot, not PCI-e. If so, forget about the 8800 series because that is PCI-e only. The best performance for AGP is probably the ATI X1900XTX but that is quite expensive and also very loud. The Geforce 7950 is probably your best bet. Either will outperform the 8600 series, though I'm not sure that's available in AGP either.

K8N does have PCI-e versions, I have one

Canonicus · 08-04-07, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnSalted

BTW I'm running a 7900GT with an AM2 4600 Dual Core and love it. Great bang for the buck and I'll keep the graphics until the 8900 series shows up which will most likely happen around the same time as Vista gets SP1. I love Christmas toys for myself.

Looks like you'll be waiting longer than you think. im afraid...
SP1 for Vista probably won't be available untill sometime in '09, at the earliest.

Heres a link to more info...
//http://www.guru3d.com/news.php?cat=&perpage=15&pagenumber=3/#5666

UnSalted · 08-05-07, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canonicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnSalted

BTW I'm running a 7900GT with an AM2 4600 Dual Core and love it. Great bang for the buck and I'll keep the graphics until the 8900 series shows up which will most likely happen around the same time as Vista gets SP1. I love Christmas toys for myself.

Looks like you'll be waiting longer than you think. im afraid...
SP1 for Vista probably won't be available untill sometime in '09, at the earliest.

Heres a link to more info...
//http://www.guru3d.com/news.php?cat=&perpage=15&pagenumber=3/#5666

I was figuring November-December based on this report but it's really no biggie if it takes longer. I've spent almost 20 years learning to wait for MS to fix it's mistakes so I'm used to it.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,13...1/article.html

FooFighters · 08-14-07, 12:54 PM

Hey guys..

Just to let you know.. (know some people are thinking of changing GPU)

I've ordered my new MSI 8800 GTS 320mb.

My system now :
AMD 64 3200+
Asus K8N4
XFX 7600 GT 256mb (pci-e)

Framerates now with TM1.5 and several hi-res skins.
All options except underwater rays and fog, no v-sync :
Bridge 24/27 fps
inside 50/60 fps
Outside 25/28 fps

As soon as I installed my new 8800GTS (aprox 1 week), I will post new framerates.

TopcatWA · 08-15-07, 06:15 AM

If you are looking at upgrading & want a good gaming set-up with very good performance video graphics then go for a SLI setup. If you shop around, you can get 2 x GeForce 8500GT PCI Express 256 meg SLI video cards (or something similar) for much less then what you would pay a single 512meg card. Couple the 2 of them together & you've got a good 512meg video setup for at least half the cost of a single 512meg card. I'm getting 60-90+ fps with SHIV running at max resolution.
My setup is:

Motherboard : Gigabyte S-Series GA-M55SLI AMD x 64 Dual Core
CPU : AMD Athlon 5000+
RAM : 2.0GHz
Video Card : 2 x NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 256/PCI Express DirectX 10 compatable (AU$340)
Power Supply : 600 Watt

That lot I managed to get for under AU$800

08-03-07, 02:23 PM	#4
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	:rotfl:Have you even tried an 8800? The 7950Gt is dwarfed by it. __________________

08-03-07, 03:57 PM	#6
cali03boss Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 123 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	psh...my 8800GTX was 400... the CPU should have no problem. I was running the exact CPU on my older motherboard for SH3 with a similar card chipset and it ran good...not perfect...but good. In the end you can always do a compatability report from NVidia. But I don't see why it would have a problem. __________________ Sargo Class USS Sargo

08-14-07, 12:54 PM	#14
FooFighters Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 813 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Hey guys.. Just to let you know.. (know some people are thinking of changing GPU) I've ordered my new MSI 8800 GTS 320mb. My system now : AMD 64 3200+ Asus K8N4 XFX 7600 GT 256mb (pci-e) Framerates now with TM1.5 and several hi-res skins. All options except underwater rays and fog, no v-sync : Bridge 24/27 fps inside 50/60 fps Outside 25/28 fps As soon as I installed my new 8800GTS (aprox 1 week), I will post new framerates. __________________ This forum is not the same without you Dave.. we'll miss you buddy

08-15-07, 06:15 AM	#15
TopcatWA Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Downunder W.A. Sth.of the River Posts: 174 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Good Performance Economical Video Graphics If you are looking at upgrading & want a good gaming set-up with very good performance video graphics then go for a SLI setup. If you shop around, you can get 2 x GeForce 8500GT PCI Express 256 meg SLI video cards (or something similar) for much less then what you would pay a single 512meg card. Couple the 2 of them together & you've got a good 512meg video setup for at least half the cost of a single 512meg card. I'm getting 60-90+ fps with SHIV running at max resolution. My setup is: Motherboard : Gigabyte S-Series GA-M55SLI AMD x 64 Dual Core CPU : AMD Athlon 5000+ RAM : 2.0GHz Video Card : 2 x NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 256/PCI Express DirectX 10 compatable (AU$340) Power Supply : 600 Watt That lot I managed to get for under AU$800 __________________ Run Silent Run Deep!!!! 01.NSM4 Classic/.RFB v.1.52.1024+Patches 02.RFB Radar HotFix/RSRDC_RFBv15_V420+Patch2 03.Sobers_Better_Rocks & Sand 04.Small_Nav_Tools_w_Chrono 05.Brit_MkVIII_US_Mk28_Torps 06.ROW Sound effects.v.9/Enviromental 5.0 O/S Win10 Pro 64-Bit/Intel 64xQuad Core CPU i7-4790+3.60 Ghz 32gig RAM nVidia GeForce GTX-1650 Ti Last edited by TopcatWA; 08-15-07 at 06:31 AM.

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08-03-07, 01:16 PM	#2
simon11 Watch Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	To get the most out of an 8800GTX you need a good power supply and a good cpu. Plus a good bank account.

08-03-07, 01:54 PM	#3
switch.dota Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 492 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A 7950GT will work miracles under XP. The advantages an 8800 provides over a 7950GT are minor in DX9 (aka windows XP). And by the time Vista is holding it's ground the 8 generation will be obsolete technology wise (first generation to support DX 10 - do you expect best performance off the bat?), so you'll need another upgrade anyway. Wheather it's from a 7950Gt or an average 8800 there's little difference.

08-03-07, 03:53 PM	#5
FooFighters Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 813 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I see that that the opinion vary.. I know that the 8800 is a super card, but also twice the money of a 7950GT (euro 299->159). Is it also twice te value in a XP DX9 enviroment.. If I was sure that the 8800 works perfect on my pc it's no problem. But I still don't how my cpu will work with the 8800 ? __________________ This forum is not the same without you Dave.. we'll miss you buddy

08-03-07, 10:12 PM	#7
xboxer Mate Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm using a Athlon 3200 (Socket 754) and a 7600GT as well but with only 1.5 GB of RAM. I think it runs fine now. But to answer your question, definitely skip the 8600 cards. There are almost no difference between a 7600GT and a 8600GT. The best choice will be a 8800GTS since it is pretty affordable nowadays.

08-03-07, 10:21 PM	#8
xboxer Mate Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Another thing you might want to note is, ask yourself what kind of games do you play all the time? If it is just SH4, I say save your money and keep your 7600GT. If you enjoy playing the latest power hungry games like GRAW2, R6 Vegas and SC DA, then get an upgrade. Couple of hundred bucks for eye candy just one game(SH4), isn't very friendly on the pocket and neither will you get a bang for your buck. Besides, the requirements for SH4 to play on a relatively high setting is child's play compared to the games I mentioned above.

08-03-07, 11:06 PM	#9
UnSalted Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 130 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	MIght want to spend some time thinking about upgrade cycle times. Is it a good buy often depends on how often you will need to upgrade to keep running newer games with the eye candy people love. Personally I can't see spending bucks to ulgrade to an already out of date technology like a card built for Direct9. I'd rather wait an extra month or two and save a little longer to avoid investing behind the curve. Just me. Good luck with your choice. BTW I'm running a 7900GT with an AM2 4600 Dual Core and love it. Great bang for the buck and I'll keep the graphics until the 8900 series shows up which will most likely happen around the same time as Vista gets SP1. I love Christmas toys for myself.

08-04-07, 11:01 AM	#10
rls669 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 117 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I thought the K8N motherboard had an AGP slot, not PCI-e. If so, forget about the 8800 series because that is PCI-e only. The best performance for AGP is probably the ATI X1900XTX but that is quite expensive and also very loud. The Geforce 7950 is probably your best bet. Either will outperform the 8600 series, though I'm not sure that's available in AGP either.