Scale Question

tater · 07-19-07, 11:58 AM

Park next to (practically touching, facing the same way) an ise, fire a fish, and snap a picture.

Easy enough to do.

BTW, the comment that it might be FOV related is absolutely correct. FOV can certainly distort things. That's why anyone who take good screen shots in Il-2 always uses the most zoomed in view since it's the setting that matches the human eye most closely. Any other FOV fisheyes the image, and planes look small, and the wings, etc away from the center get odd looking.

tater

TriskettheKid · 07-19-07, 12:09 PM

You want me to park parallel to an Ise? Or facing the Ise?

I can do it with other ships, too. To make it easier, I'll try it out on American ships, since I can get up close without having to worry about detection or anything like that.

Look for pics in a few.

Tom C · 07-19-07, 02:02 PM

I haven't seen Ise yet, what IJN ships I've seen look okay draft-wise. But some drafts on USN ships can be way off. Docking at Midway I passed a North Carolina BB on one side that was 10 to 15 feet too low in the water, so low that from my bridge I could look down on her main deck. On the other side was a Yorktown-class CV that was 15 feet too high and her screws were awash. This was all in 1.2, haven't yet installed 1.3.

BTW Midway looked great!--except I'm pretty sure that Sand Island airfield, enclosed harbor, and the landfill needed to accommodate them were all post-war developments. I'll keep enjoying them just the same.

TriskettheKid · 07-19-07, 03:16 PM

Alright, I think I've figured it out.

The problem appears to be with the draft. Ships seem to be sitting far too shallow in the water, for the most part.

Pics to follow once I can get some better shots.

Prof · 07-19-07, 03:51 PM

OK, I took a screenshot of a fish leaving a tube of a Porpoise class and measured the torpedo diameter/hull height ratio. Then I used a drawing of a Porpoise from the Friedman book to do the same. The torpedo diameter I got was 19" (that's an upper-bound estimate).

Given the innacuracies of this method, I think that's a pretty good indication that the sizes are correct and it must be the draughts which are off.

Sailor Steve · 07-19-07, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom C

BTW Midway looked great!--except I'm pretty sure that Sand Island airfield, enclosed harbor, and the landfill needed to accommodate them were all post-war developments. I'll keep enjoying them just the same.

Welcome aboard!

The photo in the link is dated November 1941. It seems the Eastern Island airfield was the later one. I was there in 1970, and I don't recall there being an "enclosed harbor" even then. We had a discussion on this a while ago, and I think the whole island is wrong. There were never facilities for any ship larger than a tender.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...dway_Atoll.jpg

tater · 07-19-07, 05:44 PM

The in game midway is horrid. I deleted the airfield/port object, leaving trees (which also don't belong) and a few buildings, it looks FAR better. Dump virtually all the harbor traffic there, too.

Midway was never packed with ships like Ulithi.

tater

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07-19-07, 11:58 AM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Park next to (practically touching, facing the same way) an ise, fire a fish, and snap a picture. Easy enough to do. BTW, the comment that it might be FOV related is absolutely correct. FOV can certainly distort things. That's why anyone who take good screen shots in Il-2 always uses the most zoomed in view since it's the setting that matches the human eye most closely. Any other FOV fisheyes the image, and planes look small, and the wings, etc away from the center get odd looking. tater

07-19-07, 12:09 PM	#2
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	You want me to park parallel to an Ise? Or facing the Ise? I can do it with other ships, too. To make it easier, I'll try it out on American ships, since I can get up close without having to worry about detection or anything like that. Look for pics in a few.

07-19-07, 02:02 PM	#3
Tom C Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I haven't seen Ise yet, what IJN ships I've seen look okay draft-wise. But some drafts on USN ships can be way off. Docking at Midway I passed a North Carolina BB on one side that was 10 to 15 feet too low in the water, so low that from my bridge I could look down on her main deck. On the other side was a Yorktown-class CV that was 15 feet too high and her screws were awash. This was all in 1.2, haven't yet installed 1.3. BTW Midway looked great!--except I'm pretty sure that Sand Island airfield, enclosed harbor, and the landfill needed to accommodate them were all post-war developments. I'll keep enjoying them just the same.

07-19-07, 03:16 PM	#4
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Alright, I think I've figured it out. The problem appears to be with the draft. Ships seem to be sitting far too shallow in the water, for the most part. Pics to follow once I can get some better shots.

07-19-07, 03:51 PM	#5
Prof Medic Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	OK, I took a screenshot of a fish leaving a tube of a Porpoise class and measured the torpedo diameter/hull height ratio. Then I used a drawing of a Porpoise from the Friedman book to do the same. The torpedo diameter I got was 19" (that's an upper-bound estimate). Given the innacuracies of this method, I think that's a pretty good indication that the sizes are correct and it must be the draughts which are off.

07-19-07, 05:44 PM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The in game midway is horrid. I deleted the airfield/port object, leaving trees (which also don't belong) and a few buildings, it looks FAR better. Dump virtually all the harbor traffic there, too. Midway was never packed with ships like Ulithi. tater