in response to alot of "used too many torps to sink a boat" threads

Centred75 · 07-06-07, 08:30 PM

If you watch the history channel show Dogfights and the episode about the Taffy 3 escort group that was attacked by the Japanese navy you will see how a single torpedo launched from (I forget the details) a destroyer escort broke the bow completely off a Japanese Heavy Cruiser. One torp and its done.

Thats not to say one torp can kill a ship. Its possible but it all depends on how you hit it. Sometimes a ship can absorb multiple torps because they hit and explode without doing any real serious damage (hull breaches but thats about it).

Ive saved many torps by just shooting 2 or 3 fish then wait a while to see if the deck is slowly sinking. If so itll go under eventually. I think the ship damage model is quite accurate.

Oh and on a side note, if you use the deck gun and aim for just below the base of the smoke stack you can blow the stack out and have it collapse into the ship. Very funny

And I think it also really reduces the ships speed.

Cheers

nikimcbee · 09-10-07, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Centred75

If you watch the history channel show Dogfights and the episode about the Taffy 3 escort group that was attacked by the Japanese navy you will see how a single torpedo launched from (I forget the details) a destroyer escort broke the bow completely off a Japanese Heavy Cruiser. One torp and its done.

Thats not to say one torp can kill a ship. Its possible but it all depends on how you hit it. Sometimes a ship can absorb multiple torps because they hit and explode without doing any real serious damage (hull breaches but thats about it).

Ive saved many torps by just shooting 2 or 3 fish then wait a while to see if the deck is slowly sinking. If so itll go under eventually. I think the ship damage model is quite accurate.

Oh and on a side note, if you use the deck gun and aim for just below the base of the smoke stack you can blow the stack out and have it collapse into the ship. Very funny

And I think it also really reduces the ships speed.

Cheers

you mean this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119981

seafarer · 09-10-07, 11:32 AM

I remember a history channel show some years back about the war. While I can't remember any of the details, they mentioned an incident where a US sub put no less then 6 torpedoes into a relatively small coaster tramp steamer. She settled, on an even keel, until the decks were nearly awash. But, she did not sink. Upon seeing the crew abondon the completely disabled ship, the sub surfaced and pumped a fair number of deck gun rounds into her from (effectively) point blank range.

Turned out the ship was full of bails of raw rubber. As far as anyone knows, she never sank, and was, in fact, efffectively unsinkable - at least until her cargo could be gotten out of the way somehow. Since she was so full of water, they couldn't even get the raw latex to ignite and burn off. The sub just gave up and went back to patroling.

GerritJ9 · 09-10-07, 03:38 PM

"Java"'s completion was significantly delayed by WW1- much material and equipment had to come from Germany and Germany gave her own needs priority. Financial restrictions didn't help either; the planned third ship of the class, "Celebes" ("Sumatra" being the second), was cancelled due to lack of money.
By the way, none of my sources lists mines as part of "Java"'s armament- and why would she be carrying mines anyway since minelaying was never intended to be one of her duties? I would be very interested in the source for that information.

razark · 09-11-07, 01:27 AM

No one seems to take into account the fact that for true realism, once the war ends, half of the ships and tonnage claimed during the war should be removed from your record anyway.

tater · 09-11-07, 09:42 AM

^^^ if instead of a handful of merchant types, we had literally hundreds of mostly 1 or 2 off merchant types, plus a few built in somewhat large (for the japanese) numbers, but slightly different from every shipyard. Then if a large % of the information in our rec manuals was flatly wrong into the bargain. We'd also need a sinking model as standard for comparison more like NSM, but with damage control for the targets, and the ability to be towed away, too. Also if we got no bogus "Ship Destroyed" message, but only got to claim it as sunk based on seeing it go down, burn, breaking up noises, etc.---then I think you would see overclaiming by SH4 players as well.

razark · 09-11-07, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

^^^ if instead of a handful of merchant types, we had literally hundreds of mostly 1 or 2 off merchant types, plus a few built in somewhat large (for the japanese) numbers, but slightly different from every shipyard. Then if a large % of the information in our rec manuals was flatly wrong into the bargain. We'd also need a sinking model as standard for comparison more like NSM, but with damage control for the targets, and the ability to be towed away, too. Also if we got no bogus "Ship Destroyed" message, but only got to claim it as sunk based on seeing it go down, burn, breaking up noises, etc.---then I think you would see overclaiming by SH4 players as well.

Actually, I would love to see something along these lines implemented. Somehow, though, I think that this may be beyond even the greatest modders.

Maybe in Silent Hunter X.

09-10-07, 03:38 PM	#4
GerritJ9 Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 389 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 6	"Java"'s completion was significantly delayed by WW1- much material and equipment had to come from Germany and Germany gave her own needs priority. Financial restrictions didn't help either; the planned third ship of the class, "Celebes" ("Sumatra" being the second), was cancelled due to lack of money. By the way, none of my sources lists mines as part of "Java"'s armament- and why would she be carrying mines anyway since minelaying was never intended to be one of her duties? I would be very interested in the source for that information. __________________ Quamvis Patiens Acris My SH3/SH4 mods: http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/GerritJ9

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07-06-07, 08:30 PM	#1
Centred75 Watch Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If you watch the history channel show Dogfights and the episode about the Taffy 3 escort group that was attacked by the Japanese navy you will see how a single torpedo launched from (I forget the details) a destroyer escort broke the bow completely off a Japanese Heavy Cruiser. One torp and its done. Thats not to say one torp can kill a ship. Its possible but it all depends on how you hit it. Sometimes a ship can absorb multiple torps because they hit and explode without doing any real serious damage (hull breaches but thats about it). Ive saved many torps by just shooting 2 or 3 fish then wait a while to see if the deck is slowly sinking. If so itll go under eventually. I think the ship damage model is quite accurate. Oh and on a side note, if you use the deck gun and aim for just below the base of the smoke stack you can blow the stack out and have it collapse into the ship. Very funny And I think it also really reduces the ships speed. Cheers

09-10-07, 11:32 AM	#3
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I remember a history channel show some years back about the war. While I can't remember any of the details, they mentioned an incident where a US sub put no less then 6 torpedoes into a relatively small coaster tramp steamer. She settled, on an even keel, until the decks were nearly awash. But, she did not sink. Upon seeing the crew abondon the completely disabled ship, the sub surfaced and pumped a fair number of deck gun rounds into her from (effectively) point blank range. Turned out the ship was full of bails of raw rubber. As far as anyone knows, she never sank, and was, in fact, efffectively unsinkable - at least until her cargo could be gotten out of the way somehow. Since she was so full of water, they couldn't even get the raw latex to ignite and burn off. The sub just gave up and went back to patroling.

09-11-07, 01:27 AM	#5
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	No one seems to take into account the fact that for true realism, once the war ends, half of the ships and tonnage claimed during the war should be removed from your record anyway.

09-11-07, 09:42 AM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	^^^ if instead of a handful of merchant types, we had literally hundreds of mostly 1 or 2 off merchant types, plus a few built in somewhat large (for the japanese) numbers, but slightly different from every shipyard. Then if a large % of the information in our rec manuals was flatly wrong into the bargain. We'd also need a sinking model as standard for comparison more like NSM, but with damage control for the targets, and the ability to be towed away, too. Also if we got no bogus "Ship Destroyed" message, but only got to claim it as sunk based on seeing it go down, burn, breaking up noises, etc.---then I think you would see overclaiming by SH4 players as well.