Who killed the electric car?

[DAB]

You can add a fourth question to that actually

How does an electric car reduce your carbon footprint if the majority of electrical power in your country is generated from Oil or Coal?

Edit: Put the question mark in the correct place

[TheBrauerHour]

Well, to answer the 4th question:

Electric companies burn fuel more efficiently than any car (or so I have been told), so using the electric car would reduce your carbon footprint, but not eliminate it. Very good point you have though, as some people think by driving electric, they would not be polluting at all. Ed Bagely, on an old episode of MTV Cribs from the mid-90's, showed how he used solar energy and a exercise bike to recharge his EV-1.

As for the long roadtrip question, that was brought up in the documentary, but I am not sure if they really found an answer other than showing some cheap batteries this old couple developed that were supposed to outlast the life of an average car and hold a loooong charge.

I am looking at getting a Toyota Prius. At the end of the video, they show a Prius being plugged into a standard outlet in a garage. After a night of charging, you get 125 mpg for the first 50 miles driving. The modification is cheap. That is impressive. Seeing as how every bit helps, I am all for that.

[Hitman]

How does an electric car reduce your carbon footprint if the majority of electrical power in your country is generated from Oil or Coal?

The major thing renewables can provide is electricity....solar, wind (specially), tides, all that generates electricity. In fact, the main problem for renewables nowadays is that you can't store their output properly and a lot gets lost.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by TheBrauerHour

Well, to answer the 4th question:

Electric companies burn fuel more efficiently than any car (or so I have been told), so using the electric car would reduce your carbon footprint, but not eliminate it. Very good point you have though, as some people think by driving electric, they would not be polluting at all. Ed Bagely, on an old episode of MTV Cribs from the mid-90's, showed how he used solar energy and a exercise bike to recharge his EV-1.

I learn something every day!

Re: Hitman

I do see your point about electrical power coming from renewable sources. But surely if we all start using electrical cars, the demand for electric power would be overwhelming (just look at how much our demand for electricity has gone up as PC's become household items). Is there actually enough space for the extra power stations required to supply that demand?

[Hitman]

I do see your point about electrical power coming from renewable sources. But surely if we all start using electrical cars, the demand for electric power would be overwhelming (just look at how much our demand for electricity has gone up as PC's become household items). Is there actually enough space for the extra power stations required to supply that demand?

No, but since the oil will run out soon and the crash is unavoidable, it would help avoiding the final anarchy :hmm: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by Hitman

No, but since the oil will run out soon and the crash is unavoidable

You still belief this ?

I'm wondering have you read this ?

http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html

And hey what about cars that are fueld with water ?

[Hitman]

Yes I read it, it's simply nonesense and against the opinion of the most reputated geologists. And anyway, the slow recovery rate still doesn't solve the problem of a constant growth in demand.

I don't think that a chaos like described in that web will happen, yet it is of course evident that a huge economic crisis will come and adaptation and dramatic changes in many habits will be needed. This will be the ruin for many of the middle class, and will empowerish many countries, though not more than they have suffered already before (The crack of 1929 f.e.). Look at what happened in Argentina some years ago....something like that is what we can expect.:hmm:

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Yes I read it, it's simply nonesense and against the opinion of the most reputated geologists.

You mean the author is lying ?

Frankly especially after seeing that man made global warming scam and other scams, nothing surprizes me anymore. I don't believe blindly anymore in what sciantists say after relizing how corrupt or missleaded they can be or how much cover up is made with certain truths.

In any generation many world end cenarios are fabricated. Some people seem to make their living with it.

And anyway, the slow recovery rate still doesn't solve the problem of a constant growth in demand.

If it's true what the author says then just drill more holes.

Look at what happened in Argentina some years ago....something like that is what we can expect.:hmm:

What happened there ?

The cover up and suppression of certain technology is the big problem. Technologies that would easily solve the energy problem.

[August]

Originally Posted by Hitman

No, but since the oil will run out soon and the crash is unavoidable

Except that they seem to keep finding more of this finite, soon to run out, resource:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6764549.stm

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

Except that they seem to keep finding more of this finite, soon to run out, resource:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6764549.stm

Woo! If that's economically recoverable, we get another week!

[U-533]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Woo! If that's economically recoverable, we get another week!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

another week:rotfl: :rotfl:


Maybe 5 work days:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by August

Except that they seem to keep finding more of this finite, soon to run out, resource:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6764549.stm

Yeah. I think the thesis of the oil crisis is mainly advocated by western countries while russia for example keeps to find huge oil reservoirs.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by August

Except that they seem to keep finding more of this finite, soon to run out, resource:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6764549.stm

600 million barrels did they say? I was just reading about how the US administration expected that once they had taken control of Iraq that the national oil export would reach 5 million barrels of oil a day.

That ain't much.

[August]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

600 million barrels did they say? I was just reading about how the US administration expected that once they had taken control of Iraq that the national oil export would reach 5 million barrels of oil a day.

That ain't much.

Never said it was but yet they seem to keep finding it don't they?. 30 years ago it was estimated that there was only 40 years of oil left. Today the estimate is that there is still 40 years of oil left. Somebody must be lying...